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It is said that all creation exists to worship and praises God. And all creation in its untold diversity, 'worships' God in untold ways. Bit like the Canticle of St Francis
 

Canticle of Brother Sun and Sister Moon of St. Francis of Assisi

Most High, all-powerful, all-good Lord, All praise is Yours, all glory, all honour and all blessings.

To you alone, Most High, do they belong, and no mortal lips are worthy to pronounce Your Name.

Praised be You my Lord with all Your creatures,
especially Sir Brother Sun,
Who is the day through whom You give us light.
And he is beautiful and radiant with great splendour,
Of You Most High, he bears the likeness.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Sister Moon and the stars,
In the heavens you have made them bright, precious and fair.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Brothers Wind and Air,
And fair and stormy, all weather's moods,
by which You cherish all that You have made.

Praised be You my Lord through Sister Water,
So useful, humble, precious and pure.

Praised be You my Lord through Brother Fire,
through whom You light the night and he is beautiful and playful and robust and strong.

Praised be You my Lord through our Sister,
Mother Earth
who sustains and governs us,
producing varied fruits with coloured flowers and herbs.
Praise be You my Lord through those who grant pardon for love of You and bear sickness and trial.

Blessed are those who endure in peace, By You Most High, they will be crowned.

Praised be You, my Lord through Sister Death,
from whom no-one living can escape. Woe to those who die in mortal sin! Blessed are they She finds doing Your Will.

No second death can do them harm. Praise and bless my Lord and give Him thanks,
And serve Him with great humility.

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Ron,
all I can say  is that we all are free to think and adopt what we feel right, surely to a fire worshipper his act is as right as to a Pagan or to the one who directs his worship purely to his maker. I think at this advance stage, we are not talking that there are several gods, and each one of us has our own god. Rather, many of us realize and believe there to be only One God. How we discover, describe and worship him is the issue, we all are describing how to get to the way of the one who made us.
Its like we all know there is a treasure buried somewhere on earth, only one address, one direction to it is right among many circulating claiming to be leading to it?? What whould one do? I would carefully study each one, and follow the most satisfying, and the one making the most sense before setting out, if I want to discover the treasure. 
I remember in a Friday sermon once I heard, if I can remember it correctly that prophet (pbuh) once replying to a similar question drew a straight line on the ground and said, this is the straight way (that leads to Allah) then he drew several lines accross it, these are diversions or amended ways that leads one to nowhere.
So, the straight way in my opinion and belief is only One, the way God has paved for us, and He guides those to this way who seek it, otherwise we follow our own desires and are lost.
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Edited by honeto - 23 October 2008 at 1:59pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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A name sake of yours Hasan
 
Hasan Kaimi Baba
 

O seeker of truth, it is your heart's eye you must open. 
Know the Divine Unity today, through the path of love for Him. 
If you object: 'I am waiting for my mind to grasp His nature', 
Know the Divine Unity today, through the path of love for Him.  

Should you wish to behold the visage of God, 
Surrender to Him, and invoke His names, 
When your soul is clear a light of true joy shall shine. 
Know the Divine Unity today, through the path of love for Him.
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Its like we all know there is a treasure buried somewhere on earth, only one address, one direction to it is right among many circulating claiming to be leading to it?? What whould one do? I would carefully study each one, and follow the most satisfying, and the one making the most sense before setting out, if I want to discover the treasure.

An interesting analogy, Hasan.  I remember a story about a dying man who told his sons that there was a great fortune buried somewhere in his orchard.  Naturally, the sons began digging frantically after he died, each not wanting the others to find the treasure first.
 
They never did find any buried treasure; but with all that turning of the soil around the trees, the orchard thrived like never before.  The sons became famous and ultimately rich for the excellent fruit that their orchard produced.  And that, so the story goes, was the "treasure" the old man meant for them to find.

Personally, I think that if there is a God, He must be very proud to have designed such an amazing, delightful Universe; and He is going to be very disappointed with all those earnest ideologues who spent their lives scratching in the dirt and ignoring all the treasures He has created for us.

In other words, the earth itself is the treasure.  Just stop digging and look around.  What more could you ask for? Smile
Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Its like we all know there is a treasure buried somewhere on earth, only one address, one direction to it is right among many circulating claiming to be leading to it?? What whould one do? I would carefully study each one, and follow the most satisfying, and the one making the most sense before setting out, if I want to discover the treasure.

An interesting analogy, Hasan.  I remember a story about a dying man who told his sons that there was a great fortune buried somewhere in his orchard.  Naturally, the sons began digging frantically after he died, each not wanting the others to find the treasure first.
 
They never did find any buried treasure; but with all that turning of the soil around the trees, the orchard thrived like never before.  The sons became famous and ultimately rich for the excellent fruit that their orchard produced.  And that, so the story goes, was the "treasure" the old man meant for them to find.

Personally, I think that if there is a God, He must be very proud to have designed such an amazing, delightful Universe; and He is going to be very disappointed with all those earnest ideologues who spent their lives scratching in the dirt and ignoring all the treasures He has created for us.

In other words, the earth itself is the treasure.  Just stop digging and look around.  What more could you ask for? Smile

 

 

Ron,
I don't believe God has weak qualities like " proudness" or "disappointments" as you have suggested. It is true that we cannot really comprehend the true nature and power of God. It is enough to say that "God has power over everything and everyone, and there is nothing out of His reach,".  Unlike the famous Billy Graham once said to his followers that something went wrong and the Satan overtook God's power and one day God will fight back and win, and take back his power from Satan.
Some basic anology will help us to undrestand, that what we say in ignorance is only due to our limited capabilities and lack of effort or rebellion. If we, for a moment think and realize about our position, a man in front of a mountain or this whole earth is like a spec of dust to us, then this earth like a dust spec in this galaxyof ours. Our galaxy is like a dust spec in the empty space or Universe. And there is more beyond that, the cycle does not end there, but our knowledge and ability may. Now we often forget to imagine that God is the one who is beyond all of what I described above.
I dare not to put any limits on such an entity.
 
And like I said, its not God that will be disappointed, its those of us who refuse to accept His Supreme Authority and dig there own ideologies, carve gods the way they like, not how God is. They will sucumb to their own pride, while follow their own desires and still expect and demand to be rewarded for that. They will have their day, when their necks, as says the Quran, will be bent down with shame, as they refuse to bend their necks in front of their maker in humility and submission when they are given a chance to do so now.
And by the way my belief as described above is in accordace to the scriptures sent down before the Quran
 
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 24 October 2008 at 12:02pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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"to accept His Supreme Authority and dig there own ideologies, carve gods the way they like, not how God is. "
 
This is what religious people for the most part do - and why others are turned completely from wanting to know the 'real' God. They assume to know who and what God is - and yet claim God to be transcendent and unknowable ? 
 
Just out of interest Hasan. With all these worlds, and galaxies etc. How are those on other planets/worlds guided ? Do they have different prophets ?
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mistake here 


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Originally posted by Gulliver Gulliver wrote:

"to accept His Supreme Authority and dig there own ideologies, carve gods the way they like, not how God is. "
 
This is what religious people for the most part do - and why others are turned completely from wanting to know the 'real' God. They assume to know who and what God is - and yet claim God to be transcendent and unknowable ? 
 
Just out of interest Hasan. With all these worlds, and galaxies etc. How are those on other planets/worlds guided ? Do they have different prophets ?
 
Gulliver,
I really don't understand, what you are trying to say. It is not me who is having problem figuring out who God is and what He expects of me. It is you who seem to have other ideas and trying to stir up something out of something.
As a religious person, as a Muslim, I do not dig up my own ideology and image of God. I actually follow the Quran, which by th eway has a single ideology, and how it describes God. I do not of myself add or discount anything, because that will be wrong. It is you who do not seem to be satisfied with any thing what is a revealed ideology rather, you want to advance more than what God wants you to. And when you hit the rock, you get all confused and lost and then threaten to leave and believe your own way, that you feel good with. And I don't have any problem with that. Its your destiny, you will feel good if you made it or you will bad if you did not. I really don't have any problem with that. but you cannot tell others how to believe, or that somehow we are blind to what we believe?
You asked "Just out of interest Hasan. With all these worlds, and galaxies etc. How are those on other planets/worlds guided ? Do they have different prophets ?"
This is a prove of your over confidence that somehow you know more than other. (I am not mad, I am just warm blooded, and that's how talk on serious matter) How dare you so confidently tell me that there are those who live on other planets.
Come back to planet earth, and just look at your self and thank God, who made you and gave you the facilities of not just sight, hearing, smelling and so on but also gave you the facility of thought, and your Fitrah. Just don't abuse it, or you will loose it
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 24 October 2008 at 6:45pm
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