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TG12345 wrote: According to the Quran's author, weaning and gestation last 30 months, and weaning lasts 2 years. That would mean that gestation lasts 6 months. We know that a baby is in its mothers' womb usually for 9 months.

Salam TG,

Thanks for the heads up. You say it is generally known that a baby is in its mother's womb usually for 9 months. I'm not sure if you are aware of the fact that the minimum period of human gestation after which a baby is known to be viable is 6 months (here's a recent beneficiary of Allah's decree).

See how again the Quran is strikingly devoid of the human errors that could have caused by strictly specifying a higher gestation period based on the general observation, against the fact that the minimum human gestation period is actually six months!

QE_I:

Instead of wasting time on these, let's get straight to the business--can you conclusively prove one Quranic statement as wrong or not?

Yes, by answering my question you will automatically answer your own question!
Promised!
But to do so you have to go beyond trolling and start to think.

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QE_II:

Sorry Airmano, I have better things in life to do than answering silly questions.

Sure, as told I expected that you'd chicken out again.

Airmano

Edited by airmano - 20 January 2015 at 1:40am

TG12345 wrote: [Wa alaikum salaam, QuranExplorer. Thanks for your quick response, and for sharing the story of the baby. I read the verses again and didn't see where the word "minimum period" was inserted by the author.Here are the verses again. Where do you see the word "minimum" used?31:14 And We have enjoined upon   man [care]   for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing   her] in   weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two   years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the   [final]   destination. 46:15 And We have   enjoined upon   man, to his parents, good treatment. His mother   carried him   with hardship and gave birth to him with   hardship, and his   gestation and weaning [period] is thirty   months. [He grows]   until, when he reaches maturity and reaches   [the age of] forty   years, he says, "My Lord, enable me to   be grateful for Your   favor which You have bestowed upon me   and upon my parents and   to work righteousness of which You will approve and make   righteous for me my offspring. Indeed, I   have repented to You, and indeed, I am of the Muslims."Are you by any chance using the tafsirs to arrive to this conclusion? If so, which tafsirs are you using? I think I have an idea, but I'd rather not assume things and would prefer if you could either list them or better yet, paste them so we can read them and discuss them.Thanks so much!

So far so good. First of all, I am happy that you are clear of the misconception that there is something wrong with the Quranic statement of 30 months gestation+weaning period, as the minimum gestation period is in fact 6 months which is matching with the figure once you subtract the 24 months weaning period.

Now coming to the gestation period, I too have a problem that I don't see the word "usually" in your above quoted tafsirs that you mentioned to assume a 9 months gestation period. So maybe it will be a good idea if you could share your tafsir where you got that "usually" first. I think that will be a good starting point if you prefer to discuss this further.

TG12345 wrote: [Wa alaikum salaam, QuranExplorer. Thanks for your quick response, and for sharing the story of the baby. I read the verses again and didn't see where the word "minimum period" was inserted by the author.Here are the verses again. Where do you see the word "minimum" used?31:14 And We have enjoined upon   man [care]   for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing   her] in   weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two   years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the   [final]   destination. 46:15 And We have   enjoined upon   man, to his parents, good treatment. His mother   carried him   with hardship and gave birth to him with   hardship, and his   gestation and weaning [period] is thirty   months. [He grows]   until, when he reaches maturity and reaches   [the age of] forty   years, he says, "My Lord, enable me to   be grateful for Your   favor which You have bestowed upon me   and upon my parents and   to work righteousness of which You will approve and make   righteous for me my offspring. Indeed, I   have repented to You, and indeed, I am of the Muslims."Are you by any chance using the tafsirs to arrive to this conclusion? If so, which tafsirs are you using? I think I have an idea, but I'd rather not assume things and would prefer if you could either list them or better yet, paste them so we can read them and discuss them.Thanks so much!

Quranexplorer wrote: So far so good. First of all, I am happy that you are clear of the misconception that there is something wrong with the Quranic statement of 30 months gestation+weaning period, as the minimum gestation period is in fact 6 months which is matching with the figure once you subtract the 24 months weaning period.

Salaam Alaikum, QuranExplorer.

I didn't say there is nothing wrong with the Quranic statement that 30 months is the gestation + weaning period, assuming that the minimum gestation period is allegedly 6 months. I will comment more on that later in the discussion, inshAllah.

Right now I am asking you where does the Quran states that the minimum gestation period is 6 months. I don't see that in the verse.

Are you making the assumption that 6 months is the minimum period of gestation based on what you read in the tafsirs? If so, can you please share which ones? Thanks so much.

Quranexplorer wrote: Now coming to the gestation period, I too have a problem that I don't see the word "usually" in your above quoted tafsirs that you mentioned to assume a 9 months gestation period. So maybe it will be a good idea if you could share your tafsir where you got that "usually" first. I think that will be a good starting point if you prefer to discuss this further.

Where did I say that the tafsirs state that 9 months is the usual gestation period?

This is what I wrote:

"According to the Quran's author, weaning and gestation last 30 months, and weaning lasts 2 years. That would mean that gestation lasts 6 months. We know that a baby is in its mothers' womb usually for 9 months."

I did not even mention the tafsirs in this statement. I should correct this, though. A baby is in the mother's womb usually for 40 weeks, which would be 9.5 lunar months or 9.3 solar months.

This is not from tafsirs, but from the source below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestation


Now that we have clarified this, I would appreciate it if you could please share where you got the information from that the minimum time of of gestation is 6 months. Is this from the verses in the Quran themselves, or from the tafsirs?

Shukran wa Allahma3k.


Edited by TG12345 - 21 January 2015 at 4:25am