The Moon (Part 2)

Abu Loren wrote: Ron Webb wrote: And did you read any of this in the Quran, Abu Loren?  Or are you just making stuff up? Your hero's programme is called 'Cosmos'. Check it out and have a real good laugh. :0

Yes, I've watched both Carl Sagan's original Cosmos from 1980, and the updated version with Neil deGrasse Tyson.  Both were excellent.

But you didn't answer my question.  Where are you getting these weird ideas about water and the flat earth?  Did you find them in the Quran, or did you just make them up yourself?

Ron Webb wrote: Caringheart wrote: I disagree, it is knowing God that teaches you... you may deny Him, but He is there, from the beginning, no matter how much you, with your mind, thinking yourself wise in your own wisdom, deny Him. And yet even life-long atheists are generally kind to each other.  How did God teach them?  And why would He have taught them to love and respect each other, without also teaching them to love and respect Him? Even many animals have been shown to exhibit kindness toward each other.  Did God teach them as well?  Or is it more likely a natural consequence of evolution, that mutual respect and cooperation with members of your own kind is advantageous for the species as a whole?

Greetings Ron,

Yes, and it is the Creator that has built that into us... whether we acknowledge Him or not.  He is there, if we behave in these good ways.

If we do not behave in these good ways, it's because He is missing...
and people who are awakened to seek Him have found Him and changed their lives...
found the missing piece, and found peace.

Ron Webb wrote: Caringheart wrote: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. It's ironic that you would choose to quote from Romans Chapter 1, which is a justification of God's wrath against unbelievers such as myself.  This is your idea of "caring for humanity"?

In Paul's letter to the Romans, he speaks of the wrath that comes against ungodliness... against those who live ungodly lives.
A Father chastises those whom He loves.

¹¹ My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction:

¹² For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

² For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

³ Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

⁴ So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

⁵ Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

⁶ In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

⁷ Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

⁸ It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

⁹ Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

You can say that this wisdom comes from man, or you can believe it comes from a higher source.  If it comes from man, then why do all men not have it?

It's not wrath in the sense of a vengeful God... but the wrath that shows displeasure for the purpose of correcting and guiding, because of love.

Ron Webb wrote: Caringheart wrote: So if you know these things, it is God that gives you the Wisdom to know them. If I followed God's example, I would hate all those who don't believe as I believe.

That is not so for those who have heard the Word of Yshwe(known as Jesus)... for those who follow Yshwe love the disbelievers, desiring that through Love they come to know the Lord.  Those who know Yshwe have compassion and empathy for those that do not know the Lord.
God was 'doing a new thing' when He sent Yshwe... when He came as the Son into the world as a fleshly example to all.

Peace and blessings to you,
CAringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 09 September 2015 at 2:23pm

AbuL: ALL of it makes perfect sense.

To you.

When I stumbled over this Website for the first time I couldn't believe my eyes, but I thought that there would be only a handful of those mental cases around the globe.
Therefore I estimated the likelyhood that I'd ever "encounter" one of them as being very close to zero.

May be I should look at the fact that it turned out otherwise as a miracle.


Airmano

Edited by airmano - 10 September 2015 at 3:54am

airmano wrote: When I stumbled over this Website for the first time I couldn't believe my eyes, but I thought that there would be only a handful of those mental cases around the globe. Therefore I estimated the likelyhood that I'd ever "encounter" one of them as being very close to zero. May be I should look at the fact that it turned out otherwise as a miracle. Airmano

You can't believe your eyes because you've been taught that the earth is a globe since you were in kindergarten. You don't have the capacity to challenge that fact or is it a theory?