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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

so muhammads government was not islamic? 

Muhammad�s life was Islamic, his government was Islamic but today muslims have been mislead and and there is no true Islamic government. You must be happy about it isn�t it?

the governments are terrified to say anything bad about muhammad, and criticism of muhammad is absolutely prohibited under shariah

why do the governments want to say anything bad about Muhammad?

well if a hadith contradicts the quran, you must clearly have doubts about it. 

Some hadiths were fabricated by some people and some scholars have taken pains to distinguish between both. So alhamdulillah most hadith are authentic.

with respect to discrimination against non-muslims in court, and the reality of the jizya tax, and the motivations for it


do you know anything about the jaziya? No. under muslim rule, muslims are obliged to pay the zakah (they have to pay that anyways, muslim rule or not) that zakah is given to the poor. If there are nonmuslims under the care of muslim rulers, they to have to contribute something . the nonmuslims are given protection and they are taken care of like the other muslims. For example there is a nonmuslim old man with no one to look after, the government will take care of him. Islamic government takes care of those people who cannot take care of themselves.  So isn�t it fair that a little money is taken from nonmuslims as well (that�s because they don�t pay zakah? ( I hope you know whats zakah?)

well we already know humans are not perfect, but to say islam is perfect requires substantial substantiation

islam is perfect because it is from allah. Insha allah you will be convinced if you are to be guided.

regarding genocide, muslims are being slaughtered the world over, why? Just because they say �there is no god but allah�. You know what happened in bosnia etc�.i don�t have to explain�

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Originally posted by AbRah2006 AbRah2006 wrote:

Hey fredifreeloader

I am not convinced with your answers because your answers are too weak to be accepted by me! I am going to refute your answers soon.

You are afraid to face me that is why you say "NOW YOU ARE RAISING TOO MANY ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD,ABRAH.  if you wish to discuss these things take them elsewhere.  why not help mishmish out.  she is running out of ideas, going round in circles"

Mishimish is a wise woman and I like to read her statements. It is you Fredifreeloader who are going in circles by repeatings your wild claims against Islam again and again eventhough the Muslims have refuted them again and again! Can't your read your own statements? Can't your swallow your own wild claims?

You are just a ship that loses its rudder....You move in a circle!

 

 

so quotations from shariah law constitute "wild claims" against islam?
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AL-HEDAYA Vol. II (Hanafi Manual)
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[The construction of infidel places of worship in a Muslim territory is unlawful; but those already founded there may be repaired.]
The construction of churches or synagogues in the Muslim territory is unlawful, this being forbidden in the traditions: - but if places of worship originally belonging to Jews or Christians be destroyed, or fall to decay*, they are at liberty to repair them, - because buildings cannot endure for ever, and as the Imam has left these people to the exercise of their own religion, it is a necessary inference that he has engaged not to prevent them from rebuilding or repairing their churches and synagogues. If, however, they attempt to remove these, and to build them in a place different from their former situation, the Imam must prevent them, since this is an actual construction : and the places which they use as hermitages are held in the same light as their churches, wherefore the construction of those also is unlawful. It is otherwise with respect to such places of prayer as are within their dwellings, which they are not prohibited from constructing, because the these are an appurtenance to the habitation

oh dear, no new church buildings in the ideal muslim state
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fredifreeloader,   

Before we discuss about the Shariah law...Please answer my questions below:

     (1) Is Jesus the Word of God?

    (2) Are the Old Testament and New Testament the Word of God?

I am waiting for your answers.



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no, abrah, you know what this threads about.  i will answer these questions, but not here
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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

no, abrah, you know what this threads about.  i will answer these questions, but not here

Don't you know the answers for my questions? lol...... I am waiting for your answers!  Are you afraid to answer?  How can an outspoken man like you become a 'coward' by avoiding my questions? I am sorry for using the word 'coward'.
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once again, abrah, i am not rising to your bait.  if you are incapable of addressing the issue under consideration in this thread, then kindly depart, or then again, if you are able, then please do
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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

once again, abrah, i am not rising to your bait.  if you are incapable of addressing the issue under consideration in this thread, then kindly depart, or then again, if you are able, then please do

 

What bait?  My questions are not baits...I ask you genuine questions. Why are you so afraid to answer my simple questions? Please answer my questions below:

(1) Is Jesus the Word of God?

    (2) Are the Old Testament and New Testament the Word of God?


How can an out-spoken man like you avoid my qenuine questions? Don't you have any guts to answer my question? I think you don't believe in Christianity that is why you refuse to answer my questions.

I am waiting for your answers.
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