Does God beget ?

I have to say first that you,  Jocko and Jasperstone sound very similar as if you are the same person but I�m sure you both are not.

I did a little rearranging and put simialar paragraphs together and tried to stick with the order of dates. I hope it makes sense. Also much of it the first bit is for experiencing Jesus or God. 

From Jasperstone: 20 October 2007 at 6:10pm:

This was a miracle in the universe, the mingling of divinity with humanity. God in the Son was conceived as such a God-man in womb of Mary. This was possible because the human life was created in the image of the divine life for the purpose of being mingled together.

Jocko: 21 October 2007 at 9:46pm

Christ defined God, expressed and manifested God to the uttermost. In Him God and man are mingled, united, blended, and incorporated in mutual indwelling and forever.   Christ, the God-man, is the meaning of God and man and the universe.

From Jocko: 22 October 2007 at 4:38pm

By saying that Jesus is God incarnate we do not mean that Jesus was not a human man. I have repeated many times that in Christ God and man are mingled together.   To mingle two or more things is to combine them in such a way that the components remains distinguishable in the combination. In Christ God and man become one.   Once again the Christ is the mingling of God and man. And this cry from Him was that human part that bore the wrath of His Father for the propitiatory sacrifice for our sins. He was judged by God. Yet He is God in the flesh too.

The real destination of the believers in to be transformed by the life of God into the image of the Son of God. We are going into a Person in life and in nature.

Well that you need to explain how, its not enough to say you need to believe the bible or believe first. There has to be clear examples. If this is for everyone, and the mingling of God and man which is Jesus, is the example then everyone is mingled with God, not just Jesus, so Jesus is not God, as this suggest that everyone has God in them not Jesus alone. But this is not what Christianity exactly teaches. 

Both of you have similar views with mine but its not on par with it. Nor is it with mainstream Christianity, you do seem off track..

Jocko: 21 October 2007 at 9:46pm:

The Triune God to me is evidence that the statements of the Bible are from God and not from man's invention.

Have you studied the catholic encyclopedias and its admission yet Jocko?

Who on the earth walked and lived and expressed God more than Jesus? Who is more of a candidate to be worshipped as God than Jesus?

Jesus never wanted to be worshipped he wanted to show/teach the way, the way to be! The way to live. What I believe of Jesus is that he expressed the highest expression of life they way people can be. The kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven are basically the same. 

From Jocko: 22 October 2007 at 4:38pm

God commands that I believe. He does not command that I be able to explain the Triune God.

Honestly I think that is a cop out of sorts, to avoid going on further. If you don�t know then say so! Don�t sit there and say God does not command me to be able to explain, how on earth are you going to explain to your kids?!!! When they ask. This is like saying God can do anything to something that can�t be explain.

It seems that Muslims always talk about worship in terms of bowing.

The angels bowed to God � what is wrong with muslims bowing? (not that i'm comparing both)

The New Testament shows that worship is living, breathing, moving, thinking, and feeling, acting, and reacting with the living Spirit of God within you. He lives within the believers and we live Him. This is the worship of constantly harmonizing with the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

I guess you don�t know about the islamic pray then? Or any form of pray.

There is a time to bow of course. But our sleep, our talking, our working and playing with our children, our discussing with our wives and husbands and relating in every way to them are all worship.

What makes you think this is not the same for muslims ? Everything they do is pretty much what you say about Christians.

The truest worship of God is to live in God. It is to allow Him to live in us and through us that within our human virtues His divine attributes can be expressed. God wants to dispense His life into man.

I think you�ve gone far from the teachings of Christianity.

From jocko: 22 October 2007 at 5:01pm:

I do not believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are seperated. Each lives within the other. Where one is the other also is.

How can that be? At some point Jesus mentions when he goes, another � the comforter / the Holy Spirit will come, If each live in the other � oh this is absurd its sounds like someone with multiple personalities, lol! Quite sad actually.

The Father is the Source of life. The Son is the course of life. And the Holy Spirit is the final reaching of the divine life into man's being. The Spirit is the transmission and the flow of what God is into man.

My point of view would almost agree. I also think it doesn't resonate with christianity.

That which is not communicable He reserves for Himself forever. But in His life there is much that He desires to communcate into man.

Obviously not the trinity eh?

The Holy Spirit brings the divine nature of God into man that man may live a mingled life in harmony with the Triune God.

Do you think you can stop mentioning triune God and just say God?

Then we must open up the corners of our being to let the Holy Spirit come into us and mingle the Triune God with our personality.

You are putting a fourth person here.

From jasperstone: 22 October 2007 at 5:48pm:

I disagree with your premise. There are things in God�s creation that you cannot explain logically, yet you insist on an explanation of the infinite God that fits in your finite logic. We do better to say �Amen!� to God�s word than to depend on our logic. I do have more to say, but I will not deviate from faith in God�s word.

All they are asking is to explain trinity, the relationship with each other.

From jocko: 22 October 2007 at 7:07pm:

It is easier to just believe the Gospels, I think.

Really?? Isn�t that what is called blind faith?

I can�t, not everything is to be taken literally, many things are symbolic, as fas as I know the cross and dying is symbolic not necessarily mean it happened, but for something else perhaps of old ways dying, renew yourself & achieve a higher place.

Is it really that hard to believe that Jesus could�ve survived the cross, there was 3 people, two died and one survived, Jesus was apparently only on the cross for a few hours before taken down unlike the other two.

Angel wrote: BMZ wrote: Or was it the other way round, meaning the Holy Spirit had created the Father and the Son? This sounds more likely because if you read the NT, one can blaspheme the Father and the Son but no one is allowed to blaspheme the Holy spirit. It is forbidden.  Hope you see the problems arising here? That is what I am trying to bring up. BMZ that's so interesting.

It is, Angel and sometimes I think that John did not really know much about the Holy Spirit. There must be somethingelse before the "Word", you can see the problem here now, as the "Word must have been uttered or must have been thrown out by somebody's mouth.

This raises the possibility, a 100% one, that holy Spirit could have been there in the beginning long before the beginning of the "Word".

I don't know how to put this theory well but I do hope, you are equally confused.

Did you notice that John seems totally oblivious of the existence of the Mighty Power or the Mighty Force, as he only mentions the Word and God.

BMZ

Angel wrote: I have to say first that you,  Jocko and Jasperstone sound very similar as if you are the same person but I�m sure you both are not.   I did a little rearranging and put simialar paragraphs together and tried to stick with the order of dates. I hope it makes sense. Also much of it the first bit is for experiencing Jesus or God.  From Jasperstone: 20 October 2007 at 6:10pm: This was a miracle in the universe, the mingling of divinity with humanity. God in the Son was conceived as such a God-man in womb of Mary. This was possible because the human life was created in the image of the divine life for the purpose of being mingled together. Jocko: 21 October 2007 at 9:46pm Christ defined God, expressed and manifested God to the uttermost. In Him God and man are mingled, united, blended, and incorporated in mutual indwelling and forever. Christ, the God-man, is the meaning of God and man and the universe. From Jocko: 22 October 2007 at 4:38pm By saying that Jesus is God incarnate we do not mean that Jesus was not a human man. I have repeated many times that in Christ God and man are mingled together. To mingle two or more things is to combine them in such a way that the components remains distinguishable in the combination. In Christ God and man become one. Once again the Christ is the mingling of God and man. And this cry from Him was that human part that bore the wrath of His Father for the propitiatory sacrifice for our sins. He was judged by God. Yet He is God in the flesh too. The real destination of the believers in to be transformed by the life of God into the image of the Son of God. We are going into a Person in life and in nature. Well that you need to explain how, its not enough to say you need to believe the bible or believe first. There has to be clear examples. If this is for everyone, and the mingling of God and man which is Jesus, is the example then everyone is mingled with God, not just Jesus, so Jesus is not God, as this suggest that everyone has God in them not Jesus alone. But this is not what Christianity exactly teaches.    Both of you have similar views with mine but its not on par with it. Nor is it with mainstream Christianity, you do seem off track.. Jocko: 21 October 2007 at 9:46pm: The Triune God to me is evidence that the statements of the Bible are from God and not from man's invention. Have you studied the catholic encyclopedias and its admission yet Jocko? Who on the earth walked and lived and expressed God more than Jesus? Who is more of a candidate to be worshipped as God than Jesus? Jesus never wanted to be worshipped he wanted to show/teach the way, the way to be! The way to live. What I believe of Jesus is that he expressed the highest expression of life they way people can be. The kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven are basically the same.  From Jocko: 22 October 2007 at 4:38pm God commands that I believe. He does not command that I be able to explain the Triune God. Honestly I think that is a cop out of sorts, to avoid going on further. If you don�t know then say so! Don�t sit there and say God does not command me to be able to explain, how on earth are you going to explain to your kids?!!! When they ask. This is like saying God can do anything to something that can�t be explain. It seems that Muslims always talk about worship in terms of bowing. The angels bowed to God � what is wrong with muslims bowing? (not that i'm comparing both) The New Testament shows that worship is living, breathing, moving, thinking, and feeling, acting, and reacting with the living Spirit of God within you. He lives within the believers and we live Him. This is the worship of constantly harmonizing with the Spirit of Jesus Christ. I guess you don�t know about the islamic pray then? Or any form of pray. There is a time to bow of course. But our sleep, our talking, our working and playing with our children, our discussing with our wives and husbands and relating in every way to them are all worship. What makes you think this is not the same for muslims ? Everything they do is pretty much what you say about Christians. The truest worship of God is to live in God. It is to allow Him to live in us and through us that within our human virtues His divine attributes can be expressed. God wants to dispense His life into man. I think you�ve gone far from the teachings of Christianity. From jocko: 22 October 2007 at 5:01pm: I do not believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are seperated. Each lives within the other. Where one is the other also is. How can that be? At some point Jesus mentions when he goes, another � the comforter / the Holy Spirit will come, If each live in the other � oh this is absurd its sounds like someone with multiple personalities, lol! Quite sad actually. The Father is the Source of life. The Son is the course of life. And the Holy Spirit is the final reaching of the divine life into man's being. The Spirit is the transmission and the flow of what God is into man. My point of view would almost agree. I also think it doesn't resonate with christianity. That which is not communicable He reserves for Himself forever. But in His life there is much that He desires to communcate into man. Obviously not the trinity eh? The Holy Spirit brings the divine nature of God into man that man may live a mingled life in harmony with the Triune God. Do you think you can stop mentioning triune God and just say God? Then we must open up the corners of our being to let the Holy Spirit come into us and mingle the Triune God with our personality. You are putting a fourth person here.   From jasperstone: 22 October 2007 at 5:48pm: I disagree with your premise. There are things in God�s creation that you cannot explain logically, yet you insist on an explanation of the infinite God that fits in your finite logic. We do better to say �Amen!� to God�s word than to depend on our logic. I do have more to say, but I will not deviate from faith in God�s word. All they are asking is to explain trinity, the relationship with each other.   From jocko: 22 October 2007 at 7:07pm: It is easier to just believe the Gospels, I think. Really?? Isn�t that what is called blind faith? I can�t, not everything is to be taken literally, many things are symbolic, as fas as I know the cross and dying is symbolic not necessarily mean it happened, but for something else perhaps of old ways dying, renew yourself & achieve a higher place. Is it really that hard to believe that Jesus could�ve survived the cross, there was 3 people, two died and one survived, Jesus was apparently only on the cross for a few hours before taken down unlike the other two.

 Well-analysed and well-dissected.

You beat me to it, Angel.

BMZ