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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

abrah - even if your endless screeds were all true (and they are very far from that, as ive already shown), this still would not answer the questions ive been asking about islam on this thread.  the quotations ive put up were not my invention

My response: I quote all the brutal verses from the Bible itself...I think you are having serious problems!

And I agree with Mishmish that you are too arrogant to accept the truth. You give so much lame excuses to reject our answers. I am not surprised because there were people who rejected, slander and insult the prophets of Allah but those ignorant people ended up as the losers.

I am not surprised to see that there are ignorant people who are 'blind, deaf and dumb'! They will endlessly regret their sins for rejecting Allah when they are resurrected to face their own trial before God in hereafter! ***********EDITED**********

I love all mankind and I wish I can save all of them by introducing Islam so that they will worship Allah and reject the worship of the creations of God. Worship the Creator not the created ones!



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Originally posted by AbRah2006 AbRah2006 wrote:

Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

abrah - even if your endless screeds were all true (and they are very far from that, as ive already shown), this still would not answer the questions ive been asking about islam on this thread.  the quotations ive put up were not my invention

My response: I quote all the brutal verses from the Bible itself...I think you are having serious problems!your problem is becoming ever more evident, abrah.  it concerns reading.  the "brutal" verses you mention (over and over again) have already been explained.  divine judgement is not human brutality.  the old covenant is no longer in force, as has already been shown (and you told me you would come back to me on my "weak" answers with respect to this, and you have not - presumably because you are not able to)

And I agree with Mishmish that you are too arrogant to accept the truth. You give so much lame excuses to reject our answers. I am not surprised because there were people who rejected, slander and insult the prophets of Allah but those ignorant people ended up as the losers.

I am not surprised to see that there are ignorant people who are 'blind, deaf and dumb'! They will endlessly regret their sins for rejecting Allah when they are resurrected to face their own trial before God in hereafter! **************EDITED*************

I love all mankind and I wish I can save all of them by introducing Islam so that they will worship Allah and reject the worship of the creations of God. Worship the Creator not the created ones!i already do, i worship the only God, who, unlike your god, did not command the angels to worship the creature adam



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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

i already do, i worship the only God, who, unlike your god, did not command the angels to worship the creature adam

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Your God is the same as our God. Whether you believe it or not.

For your information, angels were not asked to "worship" Aadam. Only bow. Once.
Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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amah - youve have edited abrahs comment, but why did you edit the question i asked him?
for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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  1. We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.will christians be able to build new places of worship whenever and wherever they are required in the ideal muslim state? 
  2. We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.will muslims be able to use our homes as hotels? 
  3. We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide (i think that means hide) him from the Muslims.
  4. We shall not teach the Koran to our children.will we be able to teach our children about the quran? 
  5. We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.will christians be able to preach openly in church buildings or in the street, and distribute leaflets inviting people to the holy faith of christ? 
  6. We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.will we be able to remain in a seat if we got there before a muslim? 
  7. We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.will we be able to ressemble muslims in these ways? 
  8. We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our- persons.will we be able to ride on saddles? 
  9. We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
  10. We shall not sell fermented drinks.will i be able to open a pub and sell people booze? 
  11. We shall clip the fronts of our heads.will i be able to have the hairstyle i want 
  12. We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists
  13. We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.will i be able to openly display a representation of the cross of Christ?  will i be able to bury my dead in the same cemetery as the muslims? 
  14. We shall not take slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
  15. We shall not build houses overtopping the houses of the Muslims.will i be able to have a higher house than my muslim neighbour? 
  16. We shall not strike a Muslim.will i be able to defend myself legitimately against a muslim? 
  17. We shall not buy anyone made prisoner by the Muslims,
  18. Whosoever amongst us that strikes a Muslim with deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact.will i be able kick abrah real hard if hecomes up to me to annoy me? 
  19. will my testimony in court be admitted if its my word against a muslim? if i am killed by a muslim, will the muslim be able to get off by paying my family money?  if i kill a muslim, will i get this facility?  will i be able to preach openly to muslims?  will i be able to criticise islam?  will i be able to marry a muslim woman?  what will happen to me if i suddenly turn gay, and start practising homosexuality?  if a muslim falsely accuses me of blasphemy, what will my chances be? what if my christian wife converts to islam - will she still be my wife? and what will happen to the kids?
  20. answers on a postcard, please to: freddifreeloader c/o islamicity forums - first set of correct answers out the bag gets a fully paid holiday to vladivostock
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Fredi,

Whatever, you are not going to get a church in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. You better remain in the place, West of Scotland, whatever that means!  Good Night
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Fred:

Christianity is supposed to abhor fornication, homosexuality, drunkardness, excess of any kind.

That these practices are openly allowed and no longer discouraged by most Christians shows a lack of moral fiber.

If God says something is wrong and is a sin, then it is wrong and a sin. I guess I missed the part in the New Testament that said it was okay to do drugs or get drunk and go out and have many sexual partners of all types...

 
It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Mishmish,

The Law stands!

Anything that was forbidden to the Jews is forbidden to the Christians. That is what the master taught!

What was forbidden to the Jews is also forbidden to us Muslims.

Remember, God said in Isaiah,"I do not change."

Our Christian friends will have to do a lot of explaining on the Day of Judgement. Also, Jesus might ask them,"Did I make lots and lots of wine for you to drink so that you could sleep more?"

BR & Salaam Alaikum

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