no compulsion - the latest......

fredifreeloader wrote:  your problem is becoming ever more evident, abrah.  it concerns reading.  the "brutal" verses you mention (over and over again) have already been explained.  divine judgement is not human brutality.  the old covenant is no longer in force, as has already been shown (and you told me you would come back to me on my "weak" answers with respect to this, and you have not - presumably because you are not able to)
 

My response: Your problems are becoming ever more evident, Fredifreeloader. The brutal biblical verses are the so-called 'divine judgments' of the writers of the Bible.In Christianity the Bible consists of the OT and NT. If you claim that the OT is no longer in force then why don't you discard it since it is not functional according to you? Why don't don't you declare that the OT is not a part of Christianity since is no longer in force according to you?

What did Jesus say about the OT which is no longer in force according to you?

 �For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.�  (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn�t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.  I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."  (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Hey Fredifreeloader ....Have you forgotten that you claim that Jesus is the Word of God and the OT and NT are the Word of God? How can you say that the OT  is no longer in force when you claim that it is the Word of God? Is your God dead that the OT is no longer in force? Oh now I remember that you Christians claim falsely that your so-called 'God' was crucified to death!

Why don't you worship Allah? You can neither crucify  nor harm Allah for He is the All Mighty God and He is One and Only !  Allah will be merciful to you if you embrace Islam.

I love all mankind and I wish I can save all of them by introducing Islam so that they will worship Allah and reject the worship of the creations of God. Worship the Creator not the created ones!

Therefore it is you Fredifreeloader  who have contradicted Jesus of the Bible ! 

 Aren't you ashamed of yourself for saying such things to me?

fredifreeloader wrote:  i already do, i worship the only God, who, unlike your god, did not command the angels to worship the creature adam

bmzsp wrote: Fredi, Whatever, you are not going to get a church in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. You better remain in the place, West of Scotland, whatever that means!  Good Night

bmz - i live in the west of scotland is what it means.  but your post is very disturbing, because it means you are admitting compulsion in islam, and seem to be approving it.  it means that christians in saudi arabia will not be able to practice their faith. end of story

fredifreeloader wrote: once again, abrah, in your despair at not being able to answer my clear questions based on the pact of umar, you continue to bray away about the holy scriptures of God in your ignorance, bringing up issues that have already been dealt with, at least partly, which have nothing to do with the matter in hand.  perhaps you are the one who needs to visit your local islamic centre, in order to find the answers.  understand this: raising questions about islam is not to degrade islam.  avoiding those questions is to degrade islam, assuming it is islam you are here to represent, and not the Christ-rejecting world, already earmarked by God for total destruction there is however one point of interest in your useless post - why were they told to bow down to adam?

The non-Muslims agreed with Muslim's terms by accepting them so you Fredi have no right to question the agreement agreed by the non-Muslims and Muslims !

Angela wrote: AbRah2006 wrote: fredifreeloader wrote: once again, abrah, in your despair at not being able to answer my clear questions based on the pact of umar, you continue to bray away about the holy scriptures of God in your ignorance, bringing up issues that have already been dealt with, at least partly, which have nothing to do with the matter in hand.  perhaps you are the one who needs to visit your local islamic centre, in order to find the answers.  understand this: raising questions about islam is not to degrade islam.  avoiding those questions is to degrade islam, assuming it is islam you are here to represent, and not the Christ-rejecting world, already earmarked by God for total destruction there is however one point of interest in your useless post - why were they told to bow down to adam? The non-Muslims agreed with Muslim's terms by accepting them so you Fredi have no right to question the agreement agreed by the non-Muslims and Muslims ! Why doesn't he have the right?  I question why some of these terms were agreed to in the first place.  I would rather die than live in a place where I could not wear a cross about my neck and raise my voice in my church.  I would rather die than live somewhere where I was denied basic rights and made second class.  So, I doubt some of these conditions were agreed to with cheers and happiness, more like they had no other choice.  No wonder they broke the pacts.

Yes you are right that you cannot raise your voice in your church!

The Bible view of women:

Silence The Woman!

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)