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Lameese
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The oppressed are to be blamed for being oppressed? How easy for you to say........what an ignorant statment!
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Angel
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Lameese, I think ZamanH means that the oppressed can help themselves also out of being oppressed and not relying solely on the other so they (oppressed) are also to blame for their oppression.
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ZamanH
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I meant, if the oppressed don't oppose the oppression, they are to be blamed, as well. The oppressor create the negativity in their mind, not the oppressors.
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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Newbie Joined: 22 August 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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OK�.. I haven�t tolerated oppression; I have made this complaint (as well as numerous other complaints), all of which have not stopped your (academically trained*) leaders from ignoring me! (*As a pose to spiritually trained) During my time within their version of Islam, I discovered that those leaders are as greedy, selfish, and snobbish as the freemasons leading my own country, and yet the Muslim population (must be duped by them to) allow them to remain in power. If your leaders were honest, I would not have had to make this (complaint), or any of the other complaints I have made. As I cannot stop your leaders from blanking me, I am left with no option but to cease from supporting them, and to depart from their deceptive ideology. I feel sad that it has come to this, but their oppression has led - to me never wishing to attend a Masjid again (this is probably what they wished to happen). I have only ever felt even more isolated when attending a place where the leaders (and hence those following them) ignore me, hence this seems like the only way I am able to free myself from their oppression, as they have ignored me for so long, I now feel humiliated when attending Masjid�s. Maybe your leaders are used to lording it over you; maybe (for too long) you have let them get away with preaching (to you), while they neglect and lack the respect (or decency) to get involved in a discussion (based on equality) with you. Maybe when I came along stating I was able to scientifically illustrate that the energy and gravitational forces were - One Force - The Almighty, Creator of the heavens and earth, they may have (become apprehensive &) assumed they could just treat me as you have allowed them to treat you! That�s your game is it? Ignore people for long enough and hope they eventually become tired of trying, hence leaving you to continue in your position of worldly pride! (P.S. Sorry if you deem this post to be too harsh, I didn�t ask to be treated as your leaders have treated me) |
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Newbie Joined: 22 August 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Quote from�.. Article by David Smith Economics Editor The Sunday Times Anxious life of the �Ipod� generation
They should be Britain�s gilded youth, enjoying opportunities to study, travel and embark on exciting careers in a way previous generations could only dream about. But instead they are the �Ipod� generation � �Insecure, Pressured, Over-taxed and Debt-ridden� � according to a study by Reform, the think tank, to be published this week. �We have always worked on the assumption that each generation would be better off than its predecessors,� said Professor Nick Bosanquet of Imperial College London, one of its authors. �But young people today have a lot more commitments and it is much more difficult for them to raise their incomes and generate wealth. This really is a very big issue for the country.� �.. ��.The Reform study finds that the balance of tax and spending has tilted against Britain�s under-35s. The �welfare bargain� � of paying into the welfare state in the expectation of receiving benefits from it � has broken down, it claims. �The next half century is likely to see an unprecedented transfer of wealth from the younger to the older generation in the form of health and pension spending,� it says. The ageing population means that young people have to support an increasing number of pensioners, while extra public spending, particularly on the health service, also disproportionately benefits older people. While previous generations enjoyed higher education funded by the taxpayer, young people today face university tuition fees and a declining �return� in the salary advantage they will get from their degrees. Research quoted in the study suggests that the graduate �premium� (the extra lifetime earnings for those with degrees) is likely to average �140,000- �160,000, far short of the �400,000 assumed by the government when it introduced tuition fees. Some graduates, notably men with arts degrees, face a negligible return for their time at university and could do better leaving school at 18. Young people also face dismal pensions, says the report, and have been locked out of the housing market by high prices and increases in stamp duty and inheritance tax. They pay 35% to 40% of their income in tax and get less in return for it than their predecessors. Full article can be found at - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1743391,00.htm l
I have posted this article as it illustrates why the Imams (and the comfortable older generations) in my country (and elsewhere for that matter) are so distant from their youth, and the problems they face (and the article neglects to even mention those whom can't afford or haven't been to university).Also of prevalence is the fact that those who have been born into wealth (such as the princes of saudi Arabia, along with most if not all of the current leaders in the world) have never known what it is like to be poor, and hence it is inconceivable for them to perceive what the poor have to endure. It is this absence of understanding that leads to their lack of compassion for the poor, hence they unknowingly (I�m been kind here) create the very oppression they are so keen to �wash their hands of�.
I wish to be part of Islam and for it to succeed, I want to forgive them�.. Hence I wait to see if they will show the compassion they so desperately need to! Edited by space |
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Jazz
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http://www.oecd.org/topic/0,2686,en_2649_34447_1_1_1_1_37413 ,00.html
11/04/2005
- Official Development Assistance (ODA) to developing countries
increased to USD 78.6 billion in 2004, its highest level ever. Taking
into account inflation and the fall in the U.S. dollar, this represents
a 4.6% rise in real terms from 2003 to 2004 and follows a 4.3% increase
from 2002 to 2003.
Fifteen of the twenty-two DAC member countries reported increased
ODA in 2004. The United States remained the largest aid donor in volume
terms, followed by Japan, France, the United Kingdom and Germany. The
only countries to exceed the UN target for ODA of 0.7% of GNI remain
Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden.
ODA also rose in real terms in Denmark (3.5%), Finland (5.9%),
France (4.3%), Ireland (2.2%) and Sweden (1.4%), and remained
practically unchanged in Germany (-0.4%).
Among non-DAC OECD donors, only Poland has provided preliminary data
showing that its ODA rose to USD 124 million in 2004 as Poland joined
the EU and started contributing to its development budget.
For further information, journalists are invited to contact Helen Fisher, OECD's Media Relations Division (tel. 33 1 45 24 97 00). |
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Lameese
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Ok, this still does not make sense. If you do not oppose the oppression then you cannot be oppressed. It is consensual. Who wouldn't oppose true oppression??? That is akin to someone taking away your air and you just sitting back and letting youself die. Lameese |
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Dear Jazz, You post this article, as though the economic problems mentioned in the article I posted, are the result of the rich worlds compassion in wishing to relive poor countries problems! I�m afraid the truth couldn�t be further away from this! I�d like to ask you, whose man-made system is responsible for those problems? Initially, I would suggest that the wars Bush has led our countries into, amounts to a far greater sum (of funds) than that which is given in aid. And the reason behind those wars!? Does colonialist - New World dis-Order ring a bell? So yeah, I�m afraid far more money is been channelled into world domination, as a pose to the rosy picture you have brought (that it is been channelled into aid), which is exactly what those deceptive freemasons want you to think! The government in my own country has been busy drawing up plans (or should that be - plots) for relieving debt in Africa, however (it is not without ties &) in reality this is a smoke screen, behind which is hidden sinister motives of colonialism. I say this as those who have created economic dependency, do so as a means to force those in debt/strife to seek their countenance. It is this need that allows the rich to determine what the poor must do to receive - that much needed help, and in this case that amounts to the government (in my country) been able (to an extent) to dictate how rulers in Africa run their countries, hence their apparently generous gift is really a type of sly & devious colonialism! (I don�t know if you have seen the film �The Matrix�, but there is no coincidence that the star of the film is called Neo (one), as in Neo-Conservative (Bush & his dads mates), as in the one-eye at the top of the pyramid on the one-dollar bill, as in the one-eyed anti-Christ � ad-dajjal. If you have seen the film, you maybe aware of the phenomena of the �agent smith�, whom is basically a person that has not been unplugged from the system, hence they wonder around in their lives thinking they are acting in an independent manner, however as they are still part of the system, [without realising] they do the bidding of the dajjal.) Secondly, I would suggest that the greedy people at the top of the pyramid are largely (if not solely) responsible for the poverty we witness in the world. Take Michael Douglas & Catharine Zeta-Jones for example, whom I believe have recently purchased their sixth mansion (or should I say castle, their houses are that big). No wonder people require butlers & maids; their greed drives them to continually grasp at luxuries it is impossible for them to maintain by their-selves (eyes bigger than their bellies � comes to mind). They are only ever able to live in one place at a time, hence they are really just exposing the fact that they have chosen their own greed (the life of this world) at the cost of helping the poor, and hence a harmonious society/world. Thirdly, when the rich (in my country) realised how volatile the stock market was/is, they sought different areas in which to invest their wealth. Most purchased �bricks & mortar�, not because they needed the property to live in, rather they sought to lease those properties to those less well off. This in turn drove up the prices of bricks & mortar, so that eventually the poor were unable to afford any properties whatsoever, this forced them into either council accommodation (which there are huge waiting lists for), or renting from the rich, which can only ever have the effect of lining their pockets with ever more wealth, creating an ever increasing gap between rich & poor. Fourthly, I would like to mention the stagnating wages of the poor. I cleared out a load of old receipts recently, and came across a job vacancy slip I had picked up seven years ago; to my astonishment the salary of the job was exactly the same as similar vacancies nowadays! So after seven years of inflation the poor are expected to live on exactly the same amount, while everything from food to fuel, has increased dramatically! This is in direct contrast to the rewards the rich & powerful (in worldly terms) treat them-selves to. A recent example of this occurred within a major corporation here in the UK, where the directors and executives �laid off� thousands of workers, citing economic difficulties & loss in profits, only then to reward each of themselves a �250, 000 bonus on top of their already ludicrously high annual salary! So to conclude this post, the aid you speak of certainly isn�t the root cause of the poverty in my country (greed is). And yes that aid is obviously taken from the poor, as the rich are as wealthy as they ever have been (if not more so)! So as a result of their deception, the freemasons claim credit for generously relieving poor countries debt, when in fact they created that debt in the first place, and are really playing the colonialist game, using the money of those (in their own countries) who are already poor, in (dis-) order to receive adulation from those they have kept in ignorance - oppressed! The Prophet�s build their empires upon the foundations of truth, compassion and wisdom; the wicked build theirs on deception, ruthlessness and ignorance. The reason why your leaders need to offer an alternative (to this system), as otherwise are they not just an extension of that oppression?
Peace - antony |
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