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Katherine
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Greetings ak_m_f, This comment as well as others of the same vein are incorrect and self-serving. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you... Surat-ul Baqara
(2):41 And when there comes to them a Book
(Qur'an) ftom God, confirming
what is with them... Surat-ul Baqara (2):89 ... yet they reject all beside, even
if it (Qur'an) be truth confirming
what is with them. Surat-ul Baqara (2):91 And when there came to them an apostle
(Muhammad) of God confirming
what was with them... Surat-ul Baqara (2):101 And before this (Qur'an) was the Book
of Moses as a guide and a mercy; and this book (Qur'an) confirms (it) in the Arabic tongue. Surat-ul Ahqaf (46):12 And this is a book (Qur'an) which We
have seat down, bringing blessings and confirming
(the revelations) which came before it. Surat-ul An'am (6):92 To thee (Muhammad) We sent the
scripture (Qur'an) in truth confirming
the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety. Surat-ul Maida
(5):48 And
He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this (the
Qur'an) as a guide to mankind.
Surat-u Ali-Imran (3):3 It was We who revealed the Law (to
Moses); therein was guidance and light.
Surat-ul Maida (5):44 We sent him (Jesus) the Gospel;
therein was guidance and light.
Surat-ul Maida (5):46 We did reveal to Moses the book after
We had destroyed the earlier generations, (to give) insight to men, and guidance and mercy, that they might receive admonition. Surat-ul Qasas (28):43 These are basically the same
revelations found in the Bible. They
are signs from God and must be believed upon in faith, as the Qur'an says: Then those who reject faith in the Signs of God will suffer the severest penalty, and God is exalted in might, Lord of retribution. Surat-u Ali-Imran (3):4 Those who reject the Book and the (revelations) with which We sent Our apostles: but soon shall they know, - when the yokes (shall be) round their necks, and the chains; they shall be dragged along in the boiling fetid fluid; then in the Fire shall they be burned. Surat-ul Mumin (40):70-72 It
was only with Muslim Ibn-Khazem, who died in Cordoba in 1064, that the charge
of falsification of the Bible was born. 3. It would be virtually impossible for the Jews to have changed their Scriptures without the Christians knowing about it. After all the Jewish Scriptures were the Scriptures that the early Christians used as their own Scriptures. 4. The Bible was copied and in circulation in the 200's AD; this included not only Greek manuscripts but copies of those manuscripts into many, many languages. This is at least 400 years prior to the completion of the Qur'an. So the Qur'an commends the Scriptures that the Christians and Jews had in their possession at the time of Muhammad. More to come tomorrow. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Well there are so many directions in which one can go to reply the basic questions are that being projected here, I would start with the assertions of bro Fredi on link of Prophet Ismail with Prophet Mohammad and concommitently with Sis Katherine's allusion as wilderness of Paran could be anywhere but not including Mecca. For this they have taken support of various biblical references and modern map of the area with superimposed ancient territory. Whatever their source of info, however, probably the source didn't update it with the latest archaeological findings. Here is a link for such an update where they assert that the traditional location of Mt. Sianai is not the same as their findings prove it to be, but in close vicinity of Suadi Arabia, where Mecca city is. http://www.baseinstitute.org/Sinai_1.html With this new information, I think, its time to revise all biblical doctrines that my Christian and Jewish brothers have built up till now. Now to link the case of 'wilderness of Paran' with mecca, the work has already been done at ***. I hope this shall serve you well for all you need to ask, God's Willing. Peace. Br. Ahmad, if it was not allowed for someone to site the link to the one website here, you should not site the link to it's counter website here either.
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katherine - if what youre saying is correct, then its taken them till 1064 to find out what is actually in the bible! ahmad - i did get your link before it was removed and will look at it with a view to evaluation |
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Katherine
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Dr. Badawi thinks that the expression
"their brethren" in Deuteronomy 18:18 means the brethren of the
Ishmaelites. Ishamel and Isaac were
half brothers and could be considered "brethren." But in this case (Deut 18:18) if we are
truly to discover the real identity of the prophet who would be like Moses, we
must consider the expression in its context.
God said, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among
their brethren." Of whom is God speaking when he speaks of
"them" and "their"? When we go back to the first two verses
of Deuteronomy 18 we find the answer:
"The Levitical priests, that is, all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion or inheritance with Israel ... they shall have no inheritance among their brethren". Deuteronomy 18.1-2. It is abundantly clear from these two verses that "they" refers to the tribe of Levi and that "their brethren" refers to the remaining eleven tribes of Israel. This is an inescapable fact. No honest method of interpretation or consistent method of exposition can possibly allow that Deuteronomy 18.18 refers to anyone else than the tribe of Levi and the remaining tribes of Israel. Let's examine the only possible exposition of the prophecy that can lead to a correct interpretation and identification of "their brethren". We need only accentuate the relevant words from Deuteronomy 18.1-2 to discover the only possible conclusion that can be drawn. The text reads: "The tribe of Levi shall have no inheritance with Israel. They shall have no inheritance among their brethren. Therefore the only logical interpretation of Deuteronomy 18.18 can be: "I will raise up for them (that is, the tribe of Levi) a prophet like you from among their brethren (that is, one of the other tribes of Israel)". Throughout the Old Testament we often find the expression "their brethren" meaning the remaining tribes of Israel as distinct from the tribe specifically referred to. Look at this verse as an example: But the children of Benjamin would not listen to the voice of their brethren, the children of Israel. Judges 20.13 Here "their brethren" is specifically stated to be the other tribes of Israel as distinct from the tribe of Benjamin. In Deuteronomy 18.18, therefore, "their brethren" clearly means the brethren in Israel of the tribe of Levi. Again in Numbers 8.26 the tribe of Levi is commanded to minister to "their brethren", that is, the remaining tribes of Israel. In 2 Kings 24.12 the tribe of Judah is distinguished from "their brethren", once again the remaining tribes of Israel. (Further scriptures proving the point are Judges 21.22, 2 Samuel 2.26, 2 Kings 23.9, 1 Chronicles 12.32, 2 Chronicles 28.15, Nehemiah 5.1 and others). In Deuteronomy 17.15 we read that Moses on one occasion said to the Israelites "One from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother". Only an Israelite could be appointed king of Israel - "one from among your brethren" - no foreigner, be he Ishmaelite, Edomite or whoever he may be, could be made King of Israel because he was not one of "their brethren", that is, a member of one of the tribes of Israel. At this stage, therefore, we have a fatal objection to the theory that Muhammad is foretold in Deuteronomy 18.18. He was an Ishmaelite and accordingly is automatically disqualified from being the prophet whose coming was foretold in that verse. The prophet was obviously to come from one of the tribes of Israel other than the tribe of Levi. God said he would raise up a prophet for the Levites like Moses from among "their brethren", that is, from one of the other tribes of Israel. Jesus was descended from the tribe of Judah (Matthew 1.2, Hebrews 7.14). He is therefore ably qualified to be the prophet who would be raised up from among the brethren of the Levites. More to come. |
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Katherine
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Dr. Badawi compared Muhammad to Moses in his article where he saw
similarities. He failed to compare Jesus to Moses where there are
also similarities. Here are some for your consideration:
1. Great Lawgiver for his nation. Jesus taught on his own authority the laws of God and raised observance of those laws to a new and higher level (Matthew chapters 5, 6 & 7): He taught as an authority and the people were amazed (Matthew 7:28-29); He selected and taught the two greatest laws (Matthew 22:35-40); He gave a new commandment (John 13:34-35); and at the very end of His teaching and leadership on earth, He delivered orders to His followers regarding "all that I have commanded you." (Matt. 28:19-20) 2. One of the Two Men who were commissioned by God to make laws for the Israelite nation. The approval of Heaven on both was shown by great signs and miracles. At the time of Moses there was the Exodus from the hand of ancient Pharaoh, feeding with manna and quails and with water from the rocks. At the time of Jesus there was healing crippled, blind, deaf, speechless and epileptics. He even threw demons out of people. Many dead people were raised back to life and health (also see Matt. 27:52-52); feeding of 5000 and of 4000 men, plus women and children. 3. Had His Face Glow With Light, but it faded away (Exodus 34:29-35 and 2nd Corinthians 3:12-13). The face of Jesus shined like the sun (Matthew 17:1-5) and is still shining like the sun while in heaven (Revelation 1:9-19). 4. Deliverer of His Brethren who would Follow Him Out of Physical Slavery then he gave them the law. Jesus came and gave law and commandments to His followers. Then He delivered them and other followers around the world out of the spiritual slavery of sin and Satan. 5. Was Born into a Situation When his Brethren were being Oppressed by Pharaoh. Jesus was born into the time when the pagan idolatrous Roman empire was oppressing His brethren. 6. Was Born in a Country where a Man, Pharaoh, was Worshiped as God. When Jesus was born the ruling Romans worshiped Caesar as God. 7. Grew up in a Country where the King, Pharaoh, was Afraid that the Slaves would Revolt. Jesus grew up where King Herod, "the Great," was afraid the descendants of those very same slaves would revolt. 8. Was Nursed a Short Time at His Birthplace, Then was Moved for His Safety. The infant Moses was placed in a floating basket in the Nile (Exodus 2 and Acts 7:20). Jesus was nursed a short time in Bethlehem and then was taken to Egypt for safety (Matt. 2). 9. Was Nursed by His Own Mother while the Official Government Policy was to Try Kill Him. King Herod tried to kill the infant Jesus (Matt. 2). 10. Father was a Mystery to the General Public. The Father of Jesus and the facts of His virgin birth were a mystery to the general public (Luke 1). 11. Was Adopted into the Royal Family of Pharaoh. Jesus was adopted by His step-father, Joseph, into the royal family line of King David and Solomon (Matt. 1). 12. Rejected being Kingly in Life-style (Hebrews 11:23-29). Jesus did not have the life-style of royalty (Matt. 4:8-11; John 6:15 & 18:36). 13. Lived in Egypt. Jesus lived in Egypt as an infant (Matt. 2:13-21). 14. Came Out of Egypt to Serve God and be A Lawgiver and Leader. Jesus came out of Egypt to be a lawgiver and leader. 15. 40 Years was Tested in Wilderness. Jesus was tested 40 days in the wilderness and had approximately 40 months of public teaching and miracle working. 16. 40 Days Fasting (Exodus 34:28). Jesus fasted 40 days (Matt. 4). 17. A Shepherd of sheep. Jesus is the Great Good Shepherd of His followers (John 10:11-16). 18. The White Hand of Leprosy (Exodus 4:6-7). Jesus healed many different people of leprosy (Luke 17:11-19). 19. Asked that the great Sin of His People be Forgiven (Exodus 32:31-32). Jesus asked that the great sin of His people be forgiven (Luke 23:34). 20. Had the cloud of God and the voice of God as a witness of his authority (Numbers 11:24-25). Jesus had the cloud of God and the voice of God as a witness of His authority (Matthew 17:24-25). 21. Exercised power from God over forces of nature such as wind and water. At the Red (Reed) Sea, he walked through on dry ground (Exodus 14). Jesus walked on water and instantly calmed a storm (Matt. 14). 22. Fire was important. At Mt. Horeb/Mt. Sinai there was fire (Ex. 3:1-6; 19:18 and 24:12-18) and there was the pillar of fire (Ex. 13:21-22). Jesus baptized the people with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Matt. 3:11-17 and Acts 2:1-4) and at the Transfiguration His face shined like the fire of the sun (John 17:1-3). Also see 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7; 1 Corinthians 3:11-14; Hebrews 12:29; and 2 Peter 3:1-14. 23. Was faithful as a Servant in all his house (Hebrews 3:5). Jesus was faithful as a Son over His house (Hebrews 3:6). 24. Brought water from a rock by a miracle of God (Exodus 17). Jesus Himself was the Living Water which was brought out of the tomb-rock which could not hold Him (John 7:37-38). 25. Asked that his nation be saved or else that his own name be blotted out of the Lord's book (Exodus 32:31-32). Jesus was willing to die, and did die, and was resurrected and thereby shown to be the perfect and acceptable ransom for sin. 26. A mountain was prominent in his work where the law was given for a nation. A mountain was prominent in the work of Jesus. He gave the famous Sermon on the Mountain with the law for people of all nations (Matthew 5, 6, & 7). 27. His followers were angry when other people showed performing signs (Numbers 11:26-29). Followers of Jesus did the same (Mark 9:38-40). 28. An angel watched over his body (Jude 9). Jesus had at least two angels watching over His body (John 20). 29. Had revealed to him the special sacred memorial or covenant Name of God (often called "Jehovah" in English) (Exodus 3:13-15). That special name was bestowed to Jesus (Philippians 2:5-11). 30. Was mighty in words and deeds (Acts 7:22). Jesus was more powerful in words and deeds (Matt. 7:28-29; and 8:3-13). 31. Sent 12 men to look over the land secretly (Numbers 12). Jesus sent out his 12 disciples to look over the same land and to publicly preach repentance and to cast out unclean spirits (Mark 6:6-13). 32. Did not have special clothing symbolic of his rank. Jesus also did not have special clothing showing His rank. 33. Did not have biological sons to carry on his spiritual functions. Neither did Jesus. 34. Was very gracious to foreign women at wells and gave them water (Exodus 2:15-17). Jesus was gracious to the Samaritian woman at Jacob's well and gave her the Water of Life (John 4). He was also gracious to: Mary Magdalene out of whom He threw 7 demons (Mark 16:9); Marium and Martha the sisters of Lazarus (Luke 10:38-41 and John 11); the woman arrested during adultery and he commanded her to stop sinning (John 8); the widow at Nain and He brought her son back to life (Luke 7:11-17); and He allowed the women to be the first to know that He had been raised from the dead (Matt. 28 and Mark 16). 35. True identity was not known at first to the women at the well (Exodus 2). The true identity of Jesus was not known at first to the woman at the well (John 4). 36. Lived modestly, only once being given an offering (Leviticus 8:29). Jesus lived a very modest life, sometimes not even owning a place to sleep (Luke 9:58). 37. Was involved in the activities of the holy Tabernacle on earth (Exodus 25-40). Jesus is involved in the perfect Tabernacle in Heaven made by God (Hebrews 8). 38. Was humble. Jesus was gentle and humble (Matt. 11:28-30). 39. Gave blessings from God to be given via Aaron to the people (Numbers 6:22-27). Jesus gave blessing from God to the people (Matt. 5:1-12) and told His followers to bless others (Luke 6:27-28). 40. Got complaints from the people who had been trained to write (Exodus 5:13-23). Jesus got complaints from the scribes (writers of the law) (Matt. 9:2-8; 16:21; and 21:12-16). 41. Opponent, Pharaoh, had his heart hardened (Ex. 7:3). Jesus' opponents had their hearts hardened because He healed on the Sabbath (Luke 6:7-11). 42. Law caused severe punishment, even death. Even greater punishment is against those who go back against Jesus (Hebrews 10:28-31). 43. Spoke to the 70 elders of Israel (Ex. 24:1 and Numbers 11). Jesus spoke to the 70 elders (called the Sanhedrin) (Luke 22:70-71). 44. Had sacrifices for the Covenant sealed with blood (Ex. 24:1-8). Jesus also sealed His new Covenant with blood (Hebrews 9:18-28). 45. Provided ransom by pouring out blood as a sacrifice (Ex. 12). Jesus similarly (Matt. 20:28 & Hebrews 9:11-15). 46. Closed the way to the Ark of the Covenant (Testimony) with a thick curtain (Ex. 26:33). Jesus, at His death, had the thick curtain in the temple torn open from top to bottom, opening the way (Matt 27 and Mark 15). 47. Was almost stoned by his brethren (Ex. 17:4). And Jesus also (John 8:58-59). 48. Had a peculiar bed as an infant (Ex. 2:3). Jesus also had a peculiar bed (Luke 2:7). 49. Was raised by the daughter of the king (Ex. 2). Jesus' mother was a daughter of the House of King David by his son, Nathan (Luke 3). 50. Was raised in the house of a man who was not his father, but he was adopted into the family (Ex. 2). Jesus was raised in the house of Joseph who was not His biological father, but He was adopted into the family (Matt. 1:18 & 25 and Acts 7:20-21). 51. Fought against the masters of evil (Ex. 5-12). Jesus battled Satan (Matt. 4:1-10). 52. Left a high position in the most powerful nation on earth to suffer for his people (Exodus 2-12 and Hebrews 11:23-27). Jesus left the highest position in Heaven to suffer for His people and to make ransom available to all people (Philippians 2:5-8). 53. Spoke the words of God (Deuteronomy 18:18 and others). Jesus spoke the words of God, the Father (John 12:50 & 14:10). 54. Spoke by God's authority (Deut. 18:19). Jesus spoke by God's authority (John 8:42 & 17:4-6). 55. Fed multitudes of people by miracles (Ex. 16). Jesus fed multitudes (Matt. 14 and 15). 56. Opened an era of law (Ex. 19 & 20). Jesus opened an era of grace and truth (John 1:17). 57. Established a memorial custom (Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover) based on common food elements (Ex. 12). Jesus established the memorial of Himself by a custom utilizing two common food elements of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover (Luke 22:19-20). 58. Finished the work which God commanded him (Ex. 40:33). Jesus completed His work (John 17:4 and & 19:30). 59. Does not have a known tomb where the body is located (Deut. 34). Jesus' tomb is empty because after death, he was raised up alive and ascended into Heaven (Mark 16:19 and Luke 24:50-53). 60. Reappeared unto men after death (Matt. 17:3). Jesus reappeared to people, even to 500 at once, after His death and resurrection (Matt. 28; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20 & 21; and Acts 1:1-3). 61. Was rejected by his family (Numbers 12). Jesus' own half-brothers rejected Him at first (Matt. 13:55 & John 7:5). But, later at least two were believers and wrote the two New Testament books of James and Jude. Here are some of the observations of eye witnesses of the life of Jesus, the prophet. The people said after Jesus fed over 5,000 people, "This is of a truth the Prophet who is to come into the world. ... They were intending to come and take Him by force, to make Him King..." (John 6:14-15). Philip proclaimed, "We have found Him of whom Moses in the Law and also the Prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the [adopted step-] son of Joseph." (John 1:45). Andrew said, "We have found the Messiah." (John 1:14). Nethanael declared, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God." (John 1:49). Peter preached that the Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18 is Jesus and that "God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets that His Messiah should suffer He has thus fulfilled. " (Acts 3:18-27). Also see Stephen's message (Acts 7:37 & 52). Jesus stated that Moses wrote about Him (Luke 24:27 and John 5:46). Even this does not do the job. What is needed is to find out how Jesus and Moses were uniquely alike whereas Muhammad was not.That will come next. |
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ahmad - this is what you have referred me to: "Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. At that time Abimelech and Phicol the commander of his forces said to Abraham, "God is with you in everything you do. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:19-22)" Hagar was an Arab. Abraham peace be upon him had Ishmael from her, who was 13 years older than Issac. After Sarah, Abraham's wife gave birth to Issac, Abraham decided to let Hagar and her son Ishmael go. He sent to the desert of Arabia in the region of Paran. Then GOD Almighty promised Ishmael that from him, He will increase his numbers and make from him a great nation, the Arab nation; "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 17:20)" The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)" Kedar came from Ishmael; "These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. Kedar and Ancient Arabs (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)" The Arabian desert region was named after Kedar. See the second map below.
The Ishmaelites were Arabs and not Egyptians. They came from the Arabian desert; "As they sat down to eat their meal, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were loaded with spices, balm and myrrh, and they were on their way to take them down to Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 37:25)" "take them down to Egypt" means taking them to the land of Egypt. It doesn't mean taking them toward the south direction. When for instance you say "my house is right down the street", it doesn't mean the house is south of the street. The house could be on the north side. The sentence means that the house is on the street, or will be found if the person walks in the path that you lead him to. The point however in the above Verse is that the Ishmaelites were not from Egypt. They came from another land. They had loaded camels and they were heading to Egypt. Arabs used to rely heavily on camels for traveling. And as we've seen from the above Verses regarding Ishmael and his Mother (Hagar) living in the desert of Paran in the South, this clearly proves to us that the desert of Paran is located in Arabia and not in Egypt, since the Ishmaelites are not Egyptians." ------------------------------------------ my points...... 1. why is he calling hagar an arab? if hagar was an arab, then the arab nation must have existed before ishmael was born, and if that is the case, how could it be said that the arabs came from ishmael? 2. he offers not one shred of evidence that paran is mecca, or in the vicinity of mecca 3. you have said that katherine said that paran could be anywhere except mecca. ----this is not true, she specified its location very exactly 4. genesis 17: 20 states that God will make of ishmael a great nation. it does not say he will make of him a great nation, the arab nation 5. where he is going with deuteronomy 33: 2 i dont know. he says that "the bible clearly says that paran is south of sinai in egypt" --- but egypt is not south of sinai. the translation in the niv is extremely problematical. it says "from the south, from his mountain slopes" the av says "from his right hand went a fiery law for them", which is reflected in other translations i have to hand, the revised version, darby, and the new revised standard version, which is more recent than the niv. even if the niv is correct, which is highly improbable, it certainly does not support his statement that paran is south of sinai in egypt. anyway i thought he was trying to prove that paran was mecca, therefore not in egypt 6. the reference to genesis 25 does not include the last phrase "kedar and ancient arabs". he then refers us to one of my favourite things - maps - in particular to the 2nd map, in order to verify that the "arabian desert region" (which one?) was called after kedar. but the name kedar does not appear on the map. i will talk more about these maps after my tea Edited by fredifreeloader |
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kath - that last post of yours was great. i dont know how you put it all together - in fact im going to print the whole thing out
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