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By the way, this Sura was a major problem for Muslim rulers during the Middle Ages.  To get around it they developed a slave army made of of Christians.  I can not remember the spelling, but I think the name of this army started with a J.  The slave army did the killing of any Muslims needing killing by the ruler.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arab Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 December 2006 at 10:17pm

Even if that were true, what does Islam have to do with this? Islam says that if you guide someone to do something good, you get the good deads too, as if youve done it too. If you guide someone to do something bad, you get the bad deads too. So even if they did make an army of Christians, since they made it, its as if they killed the Muslims. So I doubt your story to be true, and if it was, those Muslim rulers were very st**id for not knowing a very known thing about their relegion.

 

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When I was up in the mountains of Afghanistan, last year, visiting the home village of my friend,Walleed, I came across one of these "honor killings" everyone has heard about.  A father had promissed his teenaged daughter in marriage to some friend, about 60 years old.  The girl ran away from home to avoid this union, but her father tracked her down and with some of his friends stoned her to death.  When I got to Walleed's village with Walleed's brother ( Walleed was with Karzie in Kabul) I was able to give an impromptu surmon on how such act was in direct violation of what Sura IV-93 said.  I had my big copy of the Koran, Text, Translation and Commentary by Yusuf Ali with me.  It is gold leaf and really nice.
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You need to study your history more.  This Christian army was the main fighting arm of Salidin's army in his battles with Richard the Lion Hearted, King of England during one of those Cursades.  These are well known stories in western history.  Salidin comes off as a good guy.  Richard even became friends with Salidin's brother and tried to marry off his widowed sister to him, but she would not hear of it.  These are very interesting stories.  You should research them.
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The honour killings are cultural, have nothing to do with Islam you know that right? (just want 2 make sure sorry I dont mean to be rude or anything).

So it was saladin who made the Christian army to kill Muslims to not violate the Quran :S

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OK, I looked it up.  Saladin (his full name takes about two lines to write) lead the Muslim forces in 1189 against the Third Crusade lead by King Richard.  The Christian slave army, the Jezireh, was in existance long before Saladin.  He, just, became the head of it when he became the dominate Muslim leader.  Richard and Saladin would play a game of "one-ups-manship" when battling each other.  For example, in one battle Richard sent Saladin a box ice so that he would not suffer from the heat of battle.  In the next battle Saladin saw that Richard had had his horse killed out from under him, so during the battle he sent him a horse with the message that a great king needed to be mounted on a great horse, so please take one of mine.  This war produced a lot of good stories.  Even though Richard and Saladin never meet, they gained each others lifelong respect.
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The "honor killings" may be cultural, but they only occure within the Muslim culture.  They are part of "free kills" allowed in most Muslim countries.  Other examples of killings which go unpunished are the killing of homosexuals, prostitutes, and atheists.
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Thats very interesting. As for the honour killings, sure they only occure in Muslim countries but that doesnt mean Islam agrees with them. Muslims do them, Muslims who dont follow there religion. Have you any idea how it is according to Islamic law for example to execute someone for commiting adultry? There has to be FOUR witnesses and they have to have witnesses the entire thing (the two people having sex from the begening till the end) this is impossible. First of all, if two people are going to have sex, theyre gonna do it in a closed place, its impossible four people are gonna see them doing it, never mind the entire thing! Most people executed for commiting adultry have turned themselves in out of guilt.

There isnt one single free kill allowed in any single Muslim country and there never has been. If the government finds out a man has murdered someone he will betrialed for murder because he isnt the goverment to execute the law.

 

 

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