taraweeh prayers

asda wrote: sir, i say that taraveeh is not a sunnah.... and if it is a sunnah...then there shud be hadith on this matter.... i wud repeat my questions to u so that its ez for u to answer: now i ask u......from where do u derrive the sunnah if not from hadith....is there any other source... my second question: is all the sunnah of the prophet (a.s) has to be followed...or in short....are all the acts of th prophet (a.s) a recomended act? (other than waajibaat) my 1st question still remains...please prove it to me that taraweeh is a sunnah of the Prophet (a.s)? i am not telling u to look into shii books....u can refer me to sunni books as well...

Edited by minuteman - 06 September 2008 at 2:18am

Hamzah wrote: Saheeh al-Bukhaaree: Volumn 005, Book 057, Hadith Number 038 Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "Among the nations before you there used to be people who were inspired (though they were not prophets). And if there is any of such a persons amongst my followers, it is 'Umar." Saheeh Muslim: Book 031, Hadith Number 5901/5902 Chapter : The excellent qualities of 'Umar (Allah be pleased with him). 'Aisha (& Sa'd b. Ibrahim) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There had been among the people before you inspired persons and if there were any such among my Umma Umar b. Khattab would be one of them. Ibn Wahb explained the word Muhaddathun as those who receive hint from the High (Mulhamun).

salam,
for now, the hadith about inspiration is obviously a fabrication and the pre-islamic history of Umar and his history after the demise of the prophet will show that. no further comment. do your research.

in your different responses, you have diverged from the topic of taraweeh and started talking about other things. u have still not proven me wrong. i will respond to your mains points.

as for taraweeh:

POINT1: i don't have a problem if the sunnis pray taraweeh. this is between themselves and Allah. however, i don't understand why they are doing it when all hadith and scholars understanding show that it was not the practice of the prophet, but an innovation of the companions, which umar perfected. i have used a legitimate way to prove my point. Now, please, u can either prove me wrong legitimately or accept my prove, and close the case.

POINT2: my friend, all scholars (shia'a and sunnis) have derived the Sunnah of the prophet from hadith. that is what abu hanifa, al-maliki, al-shafii and ahmad ibn handbal, & everyone did, except those who don't believe in hadith. the interpretation of the quran by each scholar is also based on these hadith, and unfortunately many have introduced their opinions as well!

therefore, what i believe and what i don't believe, is based on the quran and the hadith, from which (hadith) the sunnah is derived. it only logically follows that i have to use hadith to prove my point. no other way around it.

POINT3:
hadith was not written 200 years after the demise of the prophet. in fact, there are many narrations which suggest the contrary. and of course, there are narrations that support your claim, and i consider them fabrications because the idea is illogical.

Think about it logically: just like the quran was written upon revelation, the hadith was also getting written at the time of the prophet. writting is the best way to preserve both sources because people are prone to forgetting, which will ultimately result in unintentional or intentional alterations. there is no valid and logical reason for not allowing the writing of the hadith at the time of the prophet. the importance of the Sunnah warrants such preservation. do u think the companions will be able to remember the entire sharia'a? is this possible? do u remember everything u hear from your intructor at school in a 1 hour class? no u don't. u pick up some pieces but at the end, you rely on your book.

here are some narrations:
Mustadrak al-Hakim, musnad ahmad, sunan abu dawud, sunan al-darima:
. Abdullah ibn Umar has said: "I used to write down whatever I heard from the Messenger of Allah, so Quraysh prohibited me from doing so saying, `Do you write everything you hear from the Messenger of Allah who is a human being talking in anger or when pleased?' So I stopped writing, then I told the Messenger of Allah about it, whereupon he pointed to his mouth and said, `Keep writing, for by the One Who holds my soul do I swear that nothing comes out of it except the truth.'"

al-Bukhari refers to the sahifah of Ali which contains written hadith:
Narrated Ash-Sha'bi: Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked Ali, 'Have you got any book (which has been revealed to the Prophet apart from the Qur'an)?' 'Ali replied, 'No, except Allah's Book or the power of understanding which has been bestowed (by Allah) upon a Muslim or what is (written) in this sheet of paper (sahifah).' Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked, 'What is (written) in this sheet of paper?' Ali replied, it deals with The Diyya (compensation (blood money) paid by the killer to the relatives of the victim), the ransom for the releasing of the captives from the hands of the enemies, and the law that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for the killing of (a disbeliever).


Imam Ja`far al-Sadiq has said, "We have the saheefa; it is seventy yards long: it is the dictation of the Messenger of Allah written down in the hand-writing of Ali. Nothing permissible or prohibitive the knowledge thereof is needed by people, nor any other issue, except that it is in it, even the penalty for inflicting an offense as minor as a tiny scratch on someone's cheek."

bukhari:
Narrated 'Ali: We have no Book to recite except the Book of Allah (Qur'an) and this paper. Then 'Ali took out the paper, and behold ! There was written in it, legal verdicts about the retaliation for wounds, the ages of the camels (to be paid as Zakat or as blood money). In it was also written: 'Medina is a sanctuary from Air (mountain) to Thaur (mountain). So whoever innovates in it an heresy (something new in religion) or commits a crime in it or gives shelter to such an innovator, will incur the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people, and none of his compulsory or optional good deeds will be accepted on the Day of Resurrection. And whoever (a freed slave) takes as his master (i.e. be-friends) some people other than hi real masters without the permission of his real masters, will incur the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people, and none of his compulsory, or optional good deeds will be accepted on the Day of Resurrection. And the asylum granted by any Muslim is to be secured by all the Muslims, even if it is granted by one of the lowest social status among them; and whoever betrays a Muslim, in this respect will incur the curse of Allah, the angels, and all the people, and none of his Compulsory or optional good deeds will be accepted on the Day of Resurrection."

if all the narrations i have presented were just in the Shia'a books, then you may have the right to disprove them. but it is harder to disprove them when they are considered authentic by the shia'a and sunnis.

i am going to make this my last contribution and move on because this is not going anywhere. i will just let u ponder on all of this and inchallah, the truth will become clear. just think about it, seriously. the bottom line is reaching conviction and mutual understanding, rather than condemnation!

salam

 

salam, (From Najeeb) for now, the hadith about inspiration is obviously a fabrication and the pre-islamic history of Umar and his history after the demise of the prophet will show that. no further comment. do your research.