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Points: 3352 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 4:21am
Originally posted by H3OO H3OO wrote:

My dear friends whisper and S*R, u are just trying to twist things here and there and have still not answered the question which is the main purpose of thread. Plz answer it and explain why they cannot be considered a sect of islam when they follow all the pillars of islam and other islamic teachings (quran and hadith) and when they consider prophet[sa] Khataman Nabiyyeen. Then why is it this so much hatred that they are also labeled murtad or fitna by some scholars just bcz of different interpretations.

and whisper im not talking about u hating them, im talking about the general muslim world labelling them fitna, murtad, created by British Govt or jews (as S*R called them), calling their prophet bad names. isnt this all a sign of hatred.
Thats what im talking about. if they were respected as are other sects of islam  and not labelled as such , i dont think i would have been here defending them. I never talked about there prophet being right or wrong (thats another question), my topic was completely different, but if u want to understand.
I hope that makes the point clear.

So Plz dont ignore the main topic and give reasons.
thanks.
You sound like a juvenile you need to get some adult guidance!

There is no respect for any who makes a sect in Islam: In the west I could create anew religion and they will just love it! The satan nurtures the western mind and it tells to do all things unislamic!

There is only one religion of Prophet and that is ahle sunnah wal Jammah!
I will quot a couple of the ayas in this regard:
Maryam (Mary)

19:69 Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against ((Allah)) Most Gracious.

42:14 And they became divided only after Knowledge reached them,- through selfish envy as between themselves.
If you are not already an Ahmedi say asthagfar for all your stuff!
You earning -ve points in Ramadan trying to plead something that doesn't need your pleading cuz they are not even a sect they are outside Islam! They are not permitted to use Islamic title in Muslim countries! Only in the western countries are thier protector!
Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Points: 215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 4:57am
Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

Originally posted by H3OO H3OO wrote:

My dear friends whisper and S*R, u are just trying to twist things here and there and have still not answered the question which is the main purpose of thread. Plz answer it and explain why they cannot be considered a sect of islam when they follow all the pillars of islam and other islamic teachings (quran and hadith) and when they consider prophet[sa] Khataman Nabiyyeen. Then why is it this so much hatred that they are also labeled murtad or fitna by some scholars just bcz of different interpretations.

and whisper im not talking about u hating them, im talking about the general muslim world labelling them fitna, murtad, created by British Govt or jews (as S*R called them), calling their prophet bad names. isnt this all a sign of hatred.
Thats what im talking about. if they were respected as are other sects of islam  and not labelled as such , i dont think i would have been here defending them. I never talked about there prophet being right or wrong (thats another question), my topic was completely different, but if u want to understand.
I hope that makes the point clear.

So Plz dont ignore the main topic and give reasons.
thanks.

19:69 Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against ((Allah)) Most Gracious.




Do u even read what u write. where have they shown any rebellion
against God or his prophet. where have they created a new religion.
Dont they follow quran and hadith, follow 5 pillars of islam, accept all prophets and their books, recite Kalma.
act sensible and read the 1st few post of this thread and tell me where they have they created a new religion.

They clearly state that no new prophet can come with a new law, book, or religion.
whoever will come will be the servant, follower of prophet [sa] and will
propagate his teachings. so where in here is there any reference to the creation of a new religion.
So plz get a clue and dont make assertions on basis of what u have hear from here and there and start reading more about them bcz clearly u havent


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Points: 215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 5:09am
There is no respect for any who makes a sect in Islam:
Really? Are u sure about that. I guess islam was already divided into many sects before they emerged. U must belong to some sect too.

And they became divided only after Knowledge reached them,- through selfish envy as between themselves.
Are u sure this is being referred to ahmedis bcz to my knowledge there are plenty of sects in islam and  We definitely do witness a lot of envy between them specially  shia and sunnis. Im sure u are aware of that.

You earning -ve points in Ramadan trying to plead something that doesn't need your pleading cuz they are not even a sect they are outside Islam!
are u sure about that. Will God punish me for spreading love, for removing misconceptions that lead to such hatred against them, against a sect that follows islam, that is not harming anyone, is peacefully spreading the message of islam, prophet[sa]. If u really thinks so then u have really misunderstood ur God and u really need to revive ur thoughts as do many.


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Points: 1642 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 5:12am
 
  I do not believe the Ahmadis are Kafirs. It is the ignorance of the maulvis that they want to use the word Kafir for Ahmadis.
 
 There are two types of enemies of Islam. One is internal enemy. That is called the Munafiq. The other is the external enemy who does not accept Islam. They are kafirs.
 
 The Ahmadis do not reject islam. So at the most the maulvis could have called the Ahmadis as Munafiq. That would have been alright and good enough. But to press ahead to call them Kafir was sign of ignorance.
 
 There is a Hadith:
 
 Any one who recites the Kalimah and faces the Qiblah (Ka'abah) and eats from our food is a Momin. There is a guarantee for his safety from Allah and the Prophet. So, O, you, Muslims, do not ever violate (break) that guarantee.
 
 It is seen that Ahmadis recite the Kalimah (even though they are forbidden to do so by order of the government in Pakistan). They face the Qiblah. They eat from the food of Muslims. All three conditions are satisfied.
 
 The above were the words of the prophet s.a.w.s. They should be respected. Maudoodi sahib tried hard to have the Ahmadis declared as non-Muslims, But he never called them Kafir. I do not know why. Perhaps due to the Hadith that I have quoted above.
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Points: 215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 5:26am
Thanks mm for giving this hadith. It just makes it clear that (as i also said to whisper) that it is the order of God and not me to respect others faith no matter what their prophet claims bcz that is their belief. but in this case they are not introducing any new religion, neither abusing any islamic teachings or acting against islam but follow all islamic teachings as we do
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 Muhammad is last and final prophet and messenger of Allah.Any one who does not believe in it he is not muslim.

 Visit Finality of Prophethood By Maulana Maududi

 
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Points: 4752 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 10:08am

1st i dont know why u keep on bringing ur grand pa. i mean how can i trust him that whatever he is saying is true.

My dear Morshed jee, you think that anyone who happens to be on this site just has some second hand broken down gradfathers? Just because you have one like that?
 
My son, my grandfather was not just some man, he was almost a historiv event like the rest of my ancestors. He was not some fake or a Number two of something like the Nabo you are trying to promote here.
 
I and all my grandfathers' 3 or 4 million followers have far greater regards for my grandpa than the Nabi you are trying to promote, by just barking your assertions at us. He was a Man of Knowledge, not some Mullah.
 
HE ASKED YOUR CROOKED NABI TO A MUNAZARA - your great Nabi ran away instead of facing him and his deputies. Do you understand what that means? Or you want me to make you understand it in some better way?

Instead, your Nabi placed a contract on my grandfather�s head.

I am asking you just the once, give us the proof of his prophet hood instead of barking at us like some juvenile delinquent.

You may or may not believe in anything, just GIVE US THE PROOF of your assertions or we do have the ways to shut the hell out of you.



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Points: 1642 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 11:18am
Originally posted by Mansoor_ali Mansoor_ali wrote:


 Muhammad is last and final prophet and messenger of Allah.Any one who does not believe in it he is not muslim.

 Visit Finality of Prophethood By Maulana Maududi

 
 
  The book mentioned is not the right type of book. It has many fallacies and gradual development against Ahmadis without naming them. It does not deal with the subject of life and death of Isa a.s.
 
 It also does not deal with the Wahi after the prophet Muhammad s.aw.s. Maudoodi sahib did not believe in any Wahi (or News) after the prophet s.a.w.s He believed that Imam Mahdi will come before Isa  a.s. There will be a war scene and Isa a.s. who is now alive in heavens, he will descend and will help Imam Mahdi to kill Dajjal.
 
 Maudoodi sahib believed that Imam Mahdi will not know himself that he was the Imam Mahdi. In his other books, he wrote that Islam was spread by sword.
 
 It is said that there is no prophet after Muhammad.  Also they say that there is no Wahi after the prophet now. But it is believed that Isa a.s. will come as a prophet. And he will have Wahi. So there is some proof of a prophet after Muhammad and some proof of Wahi too.
 
 It is all so complicated. It appears that whisper is trying to threaten the other guy whom he thought that he ran away. Perhaps he wants him to run away. Better not try like that. Be calm as much as possible.
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