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Nur_Ilahi wrote: Perhaps I am not studious enough, but I have not come across any exact calculation from our Muslim scholars - that Allah began the Creation of organic matter� - 8 billion years ago. �

Nur, perhaps you should study a little science with your Muslim scholars. Its not all calculations by men who have a degree in Quran and Quran only.

Allah's creations are fast, wonderful and complicated and one of those is our brains which give us the ability to think on our own.

Arabs were the forefathers of so much of todays modern science. It really bothers me when Muslims around the world stop thinking scientifically. Islam is a religion that encourages education.

The Quran says we are created from a blood clot? That's extremely close to the reality of sperm and eggs but its incorrect from a scientific standpoint. God has always revealed to man things in a manner in which he can understand at the time. Therefore, I highly doubt Moses, Abraham or even Muhammed would have been given a lecture on Carbon-14, nuclear decay and amino acids. It would have been far beyond their understanding and the understanding of their people.

God created our planets, stars and nebulae billions of years ago. How do you describe billions to peoples who barely have a concept of 0? The Babylonian, Greeks and others debated it 0 even existed. So, if they didn't have a concept of nothing...they couldn't really understand the vastness of space or the basics of its creation.

Studying theology is wonderful, Nur...but relying on it for all your information is why there are women in the Middle East who think that the clitoris will cause infertility or why there are those in the Congo who still believe in Witches. They leave their rationality and check their brains at the door.

Nur, perhaps you should study a little science with your Muslim scholars. Its not all calculations by men who have a degree in Quran and Quran only.

Then he should quote where his sources are from.

Allah's creations are fast, wonderful and complicated and one of those is our brains which give us the ability to think on our own.

Subhanallah! MashaAllah! Correct indeed. That I agree wholeheartedly. The insane or retarded person is exempted and not obligated to solat/prayers, fasting, zakah and hajj because he is deprived of sanity, a key component on which religious duties depend. In a hadith related by Ali Bin Abi Talib (raa), the Messenger of Allah (saas) said: "The Pen that records the deeds has been lifted from three people; the insane person, until he recovers; the sleeping person, until he wakes up; and the minor, until he dreams (i.e., has wet dreams.)" (Ahmed)

There is a saying in Islam that says Adeenul Aql - Religion is Intellect. A religion that is compatible with the Aqal is Islam. Adeenul Fitrah - The Natural Religion.

Arabs were the forefathers of so much of todays modern science. It really bothers me when Muslims around the world stop thinking scientifically. Islam is a religion that encourages education.

Yes there is no doubt of that. The importance of education is reflected in the first word of the AlQuran that came to Rasulullulah that was - �IQRA!� Read!.

The reason why the early Muslims were very good in Mathematics and Sciences, because they were not only good in worldy knowledge, but they were also the best of Allah's servants in terms of piety or Spiritual knowledge.

The Quran says we are created from a blood clot? That's extremely close to the reality of sperm and eggs but its incorrect from a scientific standpoint.

The Quran is a guide to all kinds of knowledge, not an encyclopeadia of sciences only. And the wonderful thing is, it never contradicts science, in fact science confirms it

Studying theology is wonderful, Nur...but relying on it for all your information is why there are women in the Middle East who think that the clitoris will cause infertility

Please give facts and figures so that your statement is not just an empty statement or a false accusation.

or why there are those in the Congo who still believe in Witches. They leave their rationality and check their brains at the door.

And there are also some whose brains are okay, yet still refuse to acknowledge that Muhammad is the best example of a human being ever lived.

Nur_Ilahi wrote: Please give facts and figures so that your statement is not just an empty statement or a false accusation. </SPAN>

Nur, research FGM and tribal beliefs regarding clitorectomies. Or read Infidel and get a first hand account of a woman who as a child was held down and had her private parts sheared off with scissors. I'm not going to get into another debate with you over that barbaric practic.

The point is that not all knowledge comes from the Quran. And there are many places that give you information on the timeline of this great creation of our Planet. The scriptures say 6 days, but what are 6 days to God? Allah has no time, therefore it is mankind that ascribes a time to an event.

When giving a "timeline" to the world, we must use our brains and what we have learned. The Universe that we understand was created 15 billion years ago. Our planet is 4.5 billion years old and their are planets and stars that have existed and died before our planet was woven into what it is today. This may be a timeline we cannot fathom, but to God, its been a blink of the eye.

Hi Angela,