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Assalamu Alaikum:

Actually, depending on the colors I am wearing I am often mistaken for a nun. I have had many people come up and bless me. I always thank them and smile. I guess I could practice the pontiff wave....

A good side effect of hijab, my hair is in great shape. No split ends, no frizz, no sun damage. I don't blow dry, so I don't get damage from that. I do get a little breakage on the hijab-line from where the scarf rubs against my pony tail or braid, but that's it. Otherwise my hair is the healthiest, and shiniest it's ever been.

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Originally posted by ummsaleh ummsaleh wrote:

Salam Sisters,

It's been a long time ( almost a year) since I posted. Someone donated face covers to me to send to the States for muslim sisters. I would like to send them to a muslim center. Can anyone help?

Bismillah,

Initially, I thought I would connect her with some sisters in a mosque I am familiar with, but then I changed my mind.  We had pmd each other.  I was responding to this and saying why I decided not to help.  I do not want to contribute to the promotion of wearing face veils. 

This is part of a movement to get woment to wear face veils, obviously.  Come on guys!  You can see conspiracy in everything political and don't realize that someone (the veil contributor, not you Sister) figured that if they give away free face veils that more women might wear them?  So I don't want to see that happen and I have every right to state that I feel this way.

Previously on IC I stated my opinion for the sisters in, where was that, Holland? that if they want to wear it, they can.  But I absolutely agree with Jenni that many women wear it that don't want to, and I again refuse to support that.

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Originally posted by Abeer23 Abeer23 wrote:

Originally posted by Jenni Jenni wrote:

Mishmish, I truely feel that women wearing Niqab in the U.s.a are facing tough times. There are women at the Masjid who don't feel safe going anywhere alone for fear of being followed and harrased. What kind of life is this? Why do we as Muslims allways want to make life easier for men and harder for women? Why must women be forced to be locked up at home for fear of being harassed if they go outside? I see many some women in Pakistan wearing Niqab, and that if fine for them. They are living in a mostly Muslim country and no one bothers them. I also see some women in jeans with no hijab and I feel that is thier choice as well, if they get teased and harassed it is thier own problem. But here, Niqab DOES NOT proctect you from being teased or stared at, and the sight of a woman in Niqab is actually frightening to some children and people. Every woman has to make her own choice, however it angers me when people try to encourage women to wear Niqab, no matter what we women do IT IS NEVER ENOUGH!!!

Jenni women in America are victimized regardless of what they wear or what religion they follow.  You know that.   I've worn both regular hijab and  niqab in the States.  I've never been victimized.  I've always been respected in school, the work place, etc.  I have non-muslim friends that have men yelling "baby got back!" at them in the streets.  I have non-muslim friends that have been sexually harrased at work.  I have non-muslim friends that have been raped.  The list goes on.  Alahamdulila, my muslim girl friends were protected from these things.

For any sisters that are wearing hijab and get teased don't despair.  Allah ta'la says in sura 83 ayaat 29-36:

 "Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed,

And whenever they passed by them, used to wink at each other (in mockery);

And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting;

And whenever they saw them, they would say, "Behold! These are the people truly astray!"

But they had not been sent as keepers over them!

But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers:

On Thrones (of Dignity) they will command (a sight) (of all things).

Will not the Unbelievers have been paid back for what they did?

Children are generally afraid of things they're not used to.  I know children that are afraid of handicapped, old, ugly people, etc.   They grow up eventually.  When I wore veil kids loved me.  For some reason little girls would always yell "MOMMY IT'S PRINCESS JASMINE" and the boys would yell "A NINJA!!"  Their mother's would be so embarrassed.   The little girls were usually disappointed when I'd tell them I wasn't a princess just a muslima and that's why dressed the way I did.

Salaam

Bismillah,

Along with some very cute personal stories of how kids react to you, there is a statement that you say that you have never been victimized for wearing scarf and/or niqab.

That's great kiddo.  Stick around awhile.  Have you never heard of sisters who have been verbally or physically attacked because of it?  Or sisters who have guys come on to them regardless of the scarf and jilbab?  Or sisters who come on to men while wearing scarves and jilbabs and niqabs? 

Hmm.  Well, I certainly have.  I experienced this personally and sisters, friends, have shared their horror stories with me as well.  Go figure.  I guess you're just different that you are not effected by the same things as the people I have known over these many years of my life are.

And yes.  I got the full search of my luggage in London with my little kids and me detained for hours by suited meanies saying that we couldn't leave the room for food or toilet.  We missed our flight.  On that same trip, I had a plane load of people shouting at me.  Me?  I'm short, cute and very initimdating.  Why me?  The headscarf.  Hard to believe?  Oh, well.  I am your Muslim sister.  You need to care about what I say and stop attacking me.  I'm not wearing it except to go to Mosque.  And if the day comes when I feel threatened doing that, I won't.  I'll put it on inside or stop going.  Period.  And I absolutely am going to continue to advise sisters not to wear Niqab in America and western countries.

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Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

i am sure sister you would remember the kalimah of bilal (ra) when he was dragged on the hot sand yeah 'ahad ahad' same bilal about whom Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) said he (saw) heard footsteps of in the jannah (im writting it in reference to hijab not niqaab because the first is fard while niqaab is not) and even though it is allowed to hide your faith if you fear prosecution bilal (ra) didn't but i guess thats why he was chosen to be a companion, but at same time i recently read a hadith which states that a believer should not humiliate himself and sahabah (ra) asked Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) and how do we humiliate ourselves and Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) said, by takin on more than you can bear.  so sis your situation is between you and your Lord, saying that best is still best even if it is not reachable for you

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Bismillah,

I strongly feel that Muslim women should stop being in the battlefront when men are supposed to be our protectors.  When the men wear clothing that makes everyone sure that they are Muslim, then the Ummah will be following right guidance.  Until they are ready to stand up and do that all of the time, then the women should not bear the burden alone of standing up for Islaam.

And as I have  a Muslim name, I know that I was turned down for an important job late last year for that reason.  It's a long story, but all the facts are there.  My family is suffering daily from discrimination and all the burdens that goes with that.  People who don't have these difficulties do not have the right to say, "Well, it never happened to ME."  I am your Muslim sister, and am telling you not only has it happened to me, my innocent little kids, my friends, but also sisters have asked me for help regarding this issue over the years and currently.

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Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

sis i know, its mojority of muslims' life story, we have to take it in because we say 'la ilaha illallah', but no one is saying that we should be the ones in the front taking all, sis Allah swt says that every soul shall bear its own burden. covering ourselves up is our duty, its fard on us now even if our husband says that u cant do hijab, we can plainly say sorry but there is no obedience to creation in contrast with what the Creator has ordered, now alhamdulillah Allah swt has made us a nation which enjoins good and forbids evil, sis niqaab is not a fard but it is a husanah for whoever can find it in herself to do it, so if some1 is encouraging others then what is better than inviting some1 to best, if we don't think that its good for our particular situation than thats fine because only Allah swt has made this religion easy for individuals by giving options but we should not discourage other people because we don't know bout other people's situations. 

i hope sis ummsaleh and moderators don't mind me going off the topic for a bit, sis i have a feeling that people specially men who make rules which in their totality are not what Allah swt has ordered, have pushed you slightly away, i know there are some tough rulings for women, a hadith proves it in which Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) has said to men to treat their women nicely because some times they feel like enslaved.  there are quite few things i cant understand but you know what i do, i remember times when Allah swt has bestowed a favour on me when i least deserved it, i know few years back i was sining, was like any other teenager in the west and alhamdulillahe a'dada kule khalqehi that i came out of it, i know i never done anything to deserve the hidaya but its a blessing, and the way Allah swt blessed me with the knowledge of His deen in small amounts, only what i can take, little duas here n there, a blissfull life, a knowing heart, sis just think of the things, the blessings in your life, know that when He is so Merciful in these things how could have He made rules which were not good for you, and if you think that men have somehow changed their shape then how going away from Allah swt's laws help the matter, you angry with people, Allah swt gets angry with people who change His laws and then claim it to be God's. So go towards him for help.

now about brothers making their wife wear a niqaab, sis u must have read the hadith in which Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) said that if sajood were allowed for anyone besides Allah swt it would have been for husbands from their wives for amount of rights they got over them.  now it is not bad to want your partner to perform the best deeds, im sure many sisters like me would want their husbands to have a beard even if it is a sunnah, i know my sister does every thing to make her husband go to mosque five times and also other things. im sure mostly brothers do care about their awrah covered properly, but even if they don't, we cant stop performing our faraid because they don't cos at end of day we are only accountable for our own act.

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Originally posted by fatima fatima wrote:

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

sis i know, its mojority of muslims' life story, we have to take it in because we say 'la ilaha illallah', but no one is saying that we should be the ones in the front taking all, sis Allah swt says that every soul shall bear its own burden. covering ourselves up is our duty, its fard on us now even if our husband says that u cant do hijab, we can plainly say sorry but there is no obedience to creation in contrast with what the Creator has ordered, now alhamdulillah Allah swt has made us a nation which enjoins good and forbids evil, sis niqaab is not a fard but it is a husanah for whoever can find it in herself to do it, so if some1 is encouraging others then what is better than inviting some1 to best, if we don't think that its good for our particular situation than thats fine because only Allah swt has made this religion easy for individuals by giving options but we should not discourage other people because we don't know bout other people's situations. 

i hope sis ummsaleh and moderators don't mind me going off the topic for a bit, sis i have a feeling that people specially men who make rules which in their totality are not what Allah swt has ordered, have pushed you slightly away, i know there are some tough rulings for women, a hadith proves it in which Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) has said to men to treat their women nicely because some times they feel like enslaved.  there are quite few things i cant understand but you know what i do, i remember times when Allah swt has bestowed a favour on me when i least deserved it, i know few years back i was sining, was like any other teenager in the west and alhamdulillahe a'dada kule khalqehi that i came out of it, i know i never done anything to deserve the hidaya but its a blessing, and the way Allah swt blessed me with the knowledge of His deen in small amounts, only what i can take, little duas here n there, a blissfull life, a knowing heart, sis just think of the things, the blessings in your life, know that when He is so Merciful in these things how could have He made rules which were not good for you, and if you think that men have somehow changed their shape then how going away from Allah swt's laws help the matter, you angry with people, Allah swt gets angry with people who change His laws and then claim it to be God's. So go towards him for help.

now about brothers making their wife wear a niqaab, sis u must have read the hadith in which Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) said that if sajood were allowed for anyone besides Allah swt it would have been for husbands from their wives for amount of rights they got over them.  now it is not bad to want your partner to perform the best deeds, im sure many sisters like me would want their husbands to have a beard even if it is a sunnah, i know my sister does every thing to make her husband go to mosque five times and also other things. im sure mostly brothers do care about their awrah covered properly, but even if they don't, we cant stop performing our faraid because they don't cos at end of day we are only accountable for our own act.

wassalam

Bismillah,

Dear Sister Fatima,

Salaamu Alaykum,  You are such a sweet hearted kind soul that I don't take offense at anything you say, really.  I do disagree with it, but you continue on your way believing these things.  I'm not going to try to change your views.  Mine are different.  There are people called "Submitters" who are Muslim but who don't take Hadith as applicable to rulings for Islaamic law.  There are the Shiite, who have their own system of historical references and sayings from people like Imam Hussein for their Islaamic laws.  These two groups constitue, I believe billions of Muslims.  There is another more silent group who believe the Quran, but say that anything that contradicts it is wrong, and that Hadith do not abrogate the Holy Quran.  I am of this last group, okay? 

So your quoted hadith in which we see women "almost" worshipping their husbands, is not acceptable to me as it is just too close to shirk for my mind to be happy and peacefull with it.  In the Holy Quran Allah The Almighty, says that Men and Women are equal in piety before Allah, but the hadith say that Hell will be filled with women.  So since those are contradictory philosophies completely, and since I did become a Muslimah and intend to stay one, I reject this hadith as invalid.  Any hadith which denies the Mercy and Power and Glory of our Lord as stated in the Holy Quran, I don't believe it.  As for example, having an intercessor.  The Complete Quran repeatedly instructs us that Muslims will have no intercessor, yet the hadith say that Muhammad will intercede on the Day of Judgment for us.  No need to comment on these things because I know that point-by-point most of the members of this board disagree with me.  So it would just be redundant for everyone to jump in and state that.

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Originally posted by fatima fatima wrote:

Bismillah irrahman irrahim


Assalamu alaikum


just a little story from the life of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw).


[P�I want to leave you with�a beautifull hadith in�which Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) said that this religion started with strangers and at the end of times it will be again for strangers.


wassalam



i thougt being strange is not the important aim of muslims.
i think if smb is keen to be strange, be strange by making good for people expecting from them nothing. thus you be a muslim, and good. or there are so many strangers who knows why they are starnge, because of some deseases or fanaticism?
oh ya, everything our predecessors did or said in times of our Prophet are surely good for muslims, but i think, to explain smb islam first the appearance should be acceptable by those who are going to listen to you. we muslims know that predecessors weren't extremists, but do nonmuslims of our time know it?

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