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minuteman
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WE cannot believe this to be the part of Deutronomy. That book is of Moses. How can it say "After that Moses died and he proceeded to bury him..
Similar is the case of the bible (gospels). They tell about the death of Jesus and his final disappearance. That cannot be from God to Jesus. How can it say that Jesus went up... It means some people are describing it. That cannot be sacred word of God.
Please tell again if Jesus died and his body was disposed of similar to the case of other prophets. Or it was different to other prophets but similar only to the disposal of the body of Moses.
If it was similar to the case of Moses then tell us what made you think like that? Do you have any verse in support of it that the Body of Jesus was disposed liek that of Moses. Please do not make things from yourself. Who told you that?
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robin
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This is all that the Bible says on this:-
Deuteronomy 34:5-6
After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Mo�ab at the order of Jehovah. 6 And he (God) proceeded to bury him in the valley in the land of Mo�ab in front of Beth-pe�or, and nobody has come to know his grave down to this day.
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WE cannot believe this to be the part of Deutronomy. That book is of Moses. How can it say "After that Moses died and he proceeded to bury him..
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Similar is the case of the bible (gospels). They tell about the death of Jesus and his final disappearance. That cannot be from God to Jesus. How can it say that Jesus went up... It means some people are describing it. That cannot be sacred word of God.
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Please tell again if Jesus died and his body was disposed of similar to the case of other prophets. Or it was different to other prophets but similar only to the disposal of the body of Moses.
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If it was similar to the case of Moses then tell us what made you think like that? Do you have any verse in support of it that the Body of Jesus was disposed liek that of Moses. Please do not make things from yourself. Who told you that? [/QUOTE]
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Joshua completed the last portion of the Book of Deuteronomy
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The true worships of the ONE God inspired Jesus first followers to fill in the deatils about Jesus etc.
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The exact deatils we do not know!
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Jehovah God evidently disposed of Jesus� fleshly body in his own way (possibly disintegrating it into the atoms of which it was constituted), see Luke 24:2, 3, 22, 23; John 20:2. Edited by robin - 09 June 2008 at 12:52am |
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minuteman
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robin, I am thankful that you have replied to my post point by point and you have been honest to a great extent. Thanks. I will pose more questions later.
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honeto
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Robin, I think you missed my last post, here it is again:
Hi Robin,
thanks for answering those questions. I need to clarify your answer to my last question:
d) does the contents of the Bible have inconsistancies if any?
you answered:
D) No.
By that 'no' you mean that what we have today as the Bible (the ones that are used by many Christians around the globe does not have any inconsistancies or contradictions (of its own statements) within its contents, correct?
Another thing I want to discuss with you is a statement you wrote in your last reply to minuteman. That statement caught my attentions, you said:
"When Jesus was returned to heaven (the spirit realm) he was given his divine nature back, he returned to being a spirit person like God is and the angels"
That statement of yours creats concern for me when you say " he was given his devine nature back". So you do believe that Jesus is devine or was devine "to be given back his devine nature"?
The second part of your statement says " being a spirit like God is and the angels"
So are you saying that Jesus is like God or is God since he is now up there in spirit form, are you also equating angels with God when you say: "..like God is and the angels"
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin
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Contradictions in the Bible are because of a) Poor Translating
b) Misunderstandings
c) Poor Interpretation
d) Trinitarian Bias or a combination of the above!
Ask yourself, is it logical to think that God would contridict himself?
"Divine" in this context means a spirit being (not of flesh and blood), when Jesus went back into he became a spirit being or divine being again. |
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honeto
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Robin,
you missed a very important one:
e) poor transmission
As far as " Ask yourself, is it logical to think that God would contridict himself?
Absolutely not, the Creator and Knower of All, does not contradict, but those who transmitted that word to us can!
And that's what I say, the Bible has changed many hands (authorities) in its journey to this times and it has been written and compiled by unknown number of men, all of whom don't seem to be inspired by God rather other intersts as its contents prove.
Contradictions in the Bible will not prove that God contradicts, rather those who were given to be its keepers.
Before we get into discussing contrdictions of the Bible, let me asure you that the purpose behind such study is nothing more than to find the truth of the matter.
Let me ask you this:
a) how many contradictions would you need as to prove thatthe Bible has contradictions in it?
b) If found such contradictions what will it mean to you?
Hasan
Edited by honeto - 11 June 2008 at 4:52pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin
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A We do know who wrote each book of the Bible:- The Bible books in chronological order
Book Writer Date Completed Time covered Genesis Moses 1513 B.C.E. "In the Beginning" to 1657 Exodus Moses 1512 B.C.E 1657-1512 Leviticus Moses 1512 B.C.E. 1 Month (1512) Numbers Moses 1473 B.C.E. 1512-1473 Deuteronomy Moses 1473 B.C.E. 2 Months (1473) Job Moses c. 1473 B.C.E. Over 140 yrs between 1657 and 1473 Joshua Joshua c. 1450 B.C.E. 1473-c. 1450 Judges Samuel c. 1100 B.C.E. c.1450-c.1120 Ruth Samuel c. 1090 B.C.E. 11 yrs of Judge's rule 1 Samuel Samuel; Gad; Nathan 1077 B.C.E. c.1180-1077 2 Samuel Gad; Nathan. c. 1040 B.C.E. 1077-c.1040 Songs of Sol Solomon c. 1020 B.C.E. Ecclesiastes Solomon b. 1000 B.C.E. Jonah Jonah c. 844 B.C.E. Joel Joel c. 820 B.C.E. (?) Amos Amos c. 803 B.C.E. Hosea Hosea a. 745 B.C.E. b. 803-a. 74 Isaiah Isaiah c. 732 B.C.E. c. 778-732 Micah Micah b. 716 B.C.E. c. 777-716 Proverbs Solomon; Agur; Lemual. c. 716 B.C.E. Zephaniah Zephaniah b. 648 B.C.E. Nahum Nahum b. 632 B.C.E. Habakkuk Habakkuk c. 628 B.C.E. (?) Lamentations Jeremiah 607 B.C.E. Obadiah Obadiah c. 607 B.C.E. Ezekiel Ezekiel 591 B.C.E. 613-c. 591 1 Kings Jeremiah {1 roll c. 1040-580 2 Kings Jeremiah {580 B.C.E. Jeremiah Jeremiah 580 B.C.E. 647-580 Daniel Daniel 536 B.C.E. 618-c. 536 Haggai Haggai 520 B.C.E. 112 days (520) Zechariah Zechariah 518 B.C.E. 520-518 Esther Mordecai c. 474 B.C.E. c. 484-474 1 Chronicles Ezra {1 roll After 1 Chron 9:44: 2 Chronicles Ezra { c. 460 B.C.E. 1077-537 Ezra Ezra c. 460 B.C.E. 537-c. 467 Psalms David & Others c. 460 B.C.E. Nehemiah Nehemiah a. 443 B.C.E. 456-a. 443 Malachi Malachi a. 443 B.C.E. Matthew Matthew c. 41 C.E. 2 B.C.E.-33C.E. 1Thessalonians Paul c. 50 C.E. 2Thessalonians Paul c. 51 C.E. Galatians Paul c. 50-52 C.E. Luke Luke c. 56-58 C.E. 3 B.C.E.-33C.E. Romans Paul c. 56 C.E. 33 C.E.-61 C.E. 1 Corinthians Paul c. 55 C.E. 2 Corinthians Paul c. 55 C.E. Ephesians Paul c. 60-61 C.E. Philippians Paul c. 60-61 C.E. Colossians Paul c. 60-61 C.E. Philemon Paul c. 60-61 C.E. Mark Mark c. 60-65 C.E. 29 C.E.-33C.E. Hebrews Paul c. 61 C.E. Acts Luke c. 61 C.E. 33 C.E.-61 C.E. 1 Timothy Paul c. 61-64 C.E. Titus Paul c. 61-64 C.E. James James b. 62 C.E. 1 Peter Peter c. 62-64 C.E. 2 Peter Peter c. 64 C.E. 2 Timothy Paul c. 65 C.E. Jude Jude c. 65 C.E. Revelation John c. 96 C.E. John John c. 98 C.E. After Prologue 29-33 C.E. 1 John John c. 98 C.E. 2 John John c. 98 C.E. 3 John John c. 98 C.E. a. = after b. = before c. = about B The Bible does not contradict itself. It is normally a case of misunderstandings 9 times out of 10 Hassan. Edited by robin - 12 June 2008 at 1:01am |
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honeto
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Robin,
I am waiting for your response to: a, and b
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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