Is Islam true?

Fredifreeloader wrote: i dont know what the problem is here, ahmad, the thing is in the public domain after all.  both the arabic and the english translation are on full display in sohar fort, located in harat al hajara, in sohar town, oman.  the present day fort dates from 13th/14th century, built by the emirs of hormuz, and features a 10km escape tunnel! the letter was to abd and jaifar, two sons of al julanda, joint rulers of oman, and is "dealt" with in this book: http://islamicbookstore.com/b3767.html click on the second contents pages.  you will see near the top on page 82, the section of the book featuring the letter.

Ah! my dear bro Fredi, thanks for your reference, however totally unreliable one. Anything placed in a Museum can�t take its authenticity automatically until verified through unbiased professionals; publishing it in a book is no solution to its credibility. Still, you didn�t reply the obvious inaccuracy in the translation and yet you happen to quote it again in your discussion with the bro peacemaker. Hmm!! That is not befitting of a reasonable person. Even within the book, through the chapter index you quoted, one can see numerous other letters purported to be written on behalf of Prophet Mohammad to various other tribes or kings. It would be little more interesting to know the contents of these vast number of letters, that may also reflect upon the same issue. If I have some time, and found you interested in it, I may do this exercise as well. Just let me know, and then I shall look forward in scheduling it in my otherwise hectic routine.

Fredifreeloader wrote: your assertion that "no ahadith or any other source can supersede the quran" is false.  the penalty of stoning to death of adulterers is not in the quran (at least not now ),  but that is the correct penalty for adultery according to islam

Again, my dear brother, your poor knowledge about Islam can make you think anything you have from your preconceived notions about it. Though I am not denying the controversy of the issues, however, the principle of Quran having priority over all other resources of information (including Ahadith) is well known among all Muslim scholars, what come may. This must be very surprising to you, just as myself, that despite this very rule yet we see some Muslims arguing �death� penalty for apostates or �stoning to death� for adultery. Even Maulana Maududi, couldn�t get away trying, but failed, to explain his view on �death� for apostasy through verses 9:11-12, though totally off the mark.

incidentally, my information is that the death penalty for apostasy is also in the quran, but is twisted to fit a supposed war context by those who dont believe in it[/quote]

O my dear brother, do you like to close your eyes and mind while reading Quran, especially quoting verses 9:11-12 as a case of apostasy? Or, are you simply following a line, provided by someone who matches with your hypothesis, irrespective what is right or wrong to your own understanding? Is this the way you read your gospels? I am surprised. Can you provide any clue, as from where these verses can present any idea of dealing with apostasy? Don�t look at what Maulana Maududi says, but use your own mind to make us understand, if you got any understanding out of it. It is really amazing. With all my due respect for Maulana Maududi, I don�t think he had made any case for his views, except simply treading the line of what others have said. We call such actions as �Taqleed�, where the total argument presented to their case is �look what others have said and done about it� instead of using their own mind with logic to understand through basic principles of Islam. I hope you would not like to be among them.

AssalamuAlaikum!

"Though I don't want to come in your task as I have no intentions of underestimating it. But one fair thing that I may expect from this moderating thing is to keep the evidence of breach in tact along with your own citation of what and where things went off the rules. This may help improving the image of this forum through open transperancy without the element of doubts, that sometimes are casted by the affected person. Also, it help others to see clearly the violations made and mend their work, if they need to, before they get also warned".

I appreciate your suggestion brother AhmadJoyia, may Allah bless you. But, the point is any material involving "Muslim bashing" or "Islam bashing" or bashing of any other faith on the pretext of interfaith dialogue would be deleted. This is in compliance with forum guidelines. ( Rules 1, 10, 11, 19 ).

There are situations when I will write notes ( with or without evidence intact ), and other times I will have no choice , but delete without any note ( Rule 19 ).

When a question is raised by someone, and so many posters here respond to him with reason, logic and evidence investing their precious time and energy, and questioner only comes up with more doubts and blames Islam without any evidence, it would be considered that he is not interested in learning, he is rather more interested in Islam bashing as is the case here.

Your suggestion sounds good to me, and inshaAllah I would be able to follow it in every "healthy learning environment". Unfortunately, this is not the case, as you can see, at the forum. Hope that things would improve in the future. If you have any further concern, please discuss the matter with administration.

Jazak Allah Khair.

Peace

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Melco wrote: Melco, you falsely accused me of being hypocrite while I am only trying my best to do the job of moderator by enforcing guidelines. Let me tell you that rules are for everyone, including me. And I hope that everyone will soon understand it. But, the main reason why I am deleting your post here is that you posted stuff out of context about apostasy in Islam in spite of repeated explanations by many posters in this thread. It appears to me that you are only interested in spreading lies, and not interested in learning. Comply with guidelines. It is another warning!----Peacemaker

Hypocrite! Once again you are slandering a member here. Stop telling people they are spreading lies, if people don't say what you consider to be true, that doesn't mean they are consciously telling lies. Comply with the guidelines! This is my first warning to you! Practice what you preach...

To all the Muslims and Muslimah, I do not care what others especially the Christian Evangelists say about Islam. They only make their religion worse in my eyes. I now fear them more than I fear my mum. Not only fear has instilled in me about Christianity but the fear has opened my eyes to see the real them, their diabolic skills.

Perhaps, they are to be thanked for as they also promote the teaching of Islam more openly and they are good at chasing away those who still think Christian is the right religion. From today onwards, I shall stop making friends or avoid those who are Christian Evangelist.

Melco and Fredi, thank you for opening my eyes as it's getting bigger and clearer. No more astigmatism. Also, please carry on more to enlighten the audiences what else you have.

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