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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Robin,
sorry, but to me those are clear contradictions and nothing less. As to me their obvious meanings are addressed in the words. And when that's the case we need not to look into their hidden meaning, which is just a distraction from their obvious blunt truth, and an effort to cover it up.
 
 
Angel wrote: " mmm....really, so when muslims go and explain things in the way robin has, its a different story.
 
I've had contradictions explained, they read clearly to me but getting them explained is like giving a personal opinion, there is no fact behind it. I've a list of condradictions but 2 i will show here as this is not the place but just to show you that some muslims do the same in a way. One: what is a day to God, some explain that a day is 1000 years or it could be a 24 hour period usually this is in conjuction with how long it took God to create creation. Another is about the wings of angels.
 
This is all i will say here, I will try and find the contradictions i posed some years ago, it might be at the old forum and repost again since contradictions seems to the an issue again in various threads at the moment.
 
okay, I'm gone."
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Angel,
 
Robin has not explained, rather defended her interpretation and understanding of the Bible. One can never explain a contradiction, its just a contradiction.  The purpose here is not if I show what appear to me a contradiction in the Bible means you to show me a contradiction in the Quran. I have shown in my quotes above that those verses to me clearly contradict each other, you or Robin say no they don't, that's fine with me. I am not asking you to believe how I see it, rather hear me how I see it.
 
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Edited by honeto - 19 June 2008 at 11:01am
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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ok, maybe i need to go over it again
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Angel,
 
Robin has not explained, rather defended her interpretation and understanding of the Bible. One can never explain a contradiction, its just a contradiction.  The purpose here is not if I show what appear to me a contradiction in the Bible means you to show me a contradiction in the Quran. I have shown in my quotes above that those verses to me clearly contradict each other, you or Robin say no they don't, that's fine with me. I am not asking you to believe how I see it, rather hear me how I see it.
 
Hasan
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NO Hasan
 
Your so-called 'contraditions' are not that, they are misunderstandings, which is vastly different, you only hold on to that they are 'contraditions' because you do not want to a) change your thinking (dogma) or b) admit you  muslims are wrong, I feel it is the latter!
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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

b) admit you  muslims are wrong, I feel it is the latter!
 
now, don't go swiping all muslims with one brush. You and Hasan are the only ones discussing this Wink
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

b) admit you  muslims are wrong, I feel it is the latter!
 
now, don't go swiping all muslims with one brush. You and Hasan are the only ones discussing this Wink
 
Thanks
 
I hope I am wrong!
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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

 
 
NO Hasan
 
Your so-called 'contraditions' are not that, they are misunderstandings, which is vastly different, you only hold on to that they are 'contraditions' because you do not want to a) change your thinking (dogma) or b) admit you  muslims are wrong, I feel it is the latter!

 

 
Robin,
let us be logical here and not pre-judgmental. Sometimes we need to look back at the ABCs, the basics:
A simple English language question:
What is the meanings of word hate and what is its opposite.
Hasan
 


Edited by honeto - 24 June 2008 at 3:59pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Thank you Hasan, your comment was greatly needed here ClapClapClap


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 I cannot address robin because of varying beliefs of robin. But we must look into the word beget and begat. In mathew chapter one, it is the words of the bible which explain beget and begat. Please see there:
 
 Abraham begat Issac. Issac begat Jacob. Jacob begat Yehudah (?)...
 
 now please talk in the language of the bible. How did God beget Jesus?


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