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Then we will all be in hell- away from GOD.

 
But that is our choice since God created us with free will.
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"The Israelites had to be kept safe at all cost, for God knew that it would be through the line of David that Jesus would come to earth."
 
Where exactly did Jesus fit into the line of David?
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Yes and through our free will none of us is worthy.  GOD loves us and wants us with Him.

Luke 3:23-38 and Luke 3:23�38
 
Actually I meant to say through the Israelites- all the people were chosen as GOD's chosen people
 
Interesting article:

http://www.seekerstrove.com/genealogy.htm

Matthew 1:15-16

Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. (NIV)

We see from this passage that Joseph was the son of Jacob, and if we follow it back we get to David. Now I want to look at the same section from Luke.

Luke 3:23

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, (NIV)

Now when we read this very carefully we see that it does not say that Joseph was the son of Heli, but that Jesus was, and that through his mother. Heli was Mary's father, and therefore, Jesus was his son through his flesh. In Luke we see the physical lineage of Jesus Christ through his mother.

 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Annius of Viterbo came up with this theory in the late 15th century, decades after the Gospels were written.  Sure it would explain the reason why Jesus is not the seed of David, but theologians discount it as false since historically the mother's lineage was never recorded and no mention is made in the Bible of Mary's lineage, period....

Why do people have to work so hard to get Jesus to fit into the prophecies? 
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Luke 3:23

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, (NIV)

Now when we read this very carefully we see that it does not say that Joseph was the son of Heli, but that Jesus was, and that through his mother. Heli was Mary's father, and therefore, Jesus was his son through his flesh. In Luke we see the physical lineage of Jesus Christ through his mother.

How can Luke's geneology be through his mother?  It quite clearly says "Joseph, the son of Heli", not "Mary, the daughter of Heli".  Mary isn't even mentioned.
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LOL!!  Think about it,  Why would first and second hand eye witnesses include contradicting genealogies in their manuscripts?

But none of that matters to the point I was making of keeping the Jewish nation as close to GOD as possible because Jesus, the world's salvation would come through them. 
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My understanding is that GOD is just and something has to pay the debt of sin.  We have been told the wages of sin is death.
And who decided that?  Why can't God just forgive minor sins freely -- "as we forgive those who trespass against us"?
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

LOL!!  Think about it,  Why would first and second hand eye witnesses include contradicting genealogies in their manuscripts?

But none of that matters to the point I was making of keeping the Jewish nation as close to GOD as possible because Jesus, the world's salvation would come through them. 
 
You make a good point? Why are there any contradictions in the Bible? 
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