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@ Saint:
Just have a look at this and that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a_manuscript Tell me why I should see them? How do I know it is not some more 'internet intelligence'? |
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This WIkipedia article has discussion of the oldes Qur'anic sources including these 2 which were written in the "Kufic script" which has neither vowel points no diacritic marks to distinguish many of the Arabic consonants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Quranic_manuscripts For a long time, the Topkapi manuscript and the Samarkand Kufic Quran were considered the oldest Quran copies in existence. Both codices are more or less complete. They are written in the Kufic script. It "can generally be dated from the late eighth century depending on the extent of development in the character of the script in each case."[8]Without those markins (in the Kufic script) the text is highly ambiguous and is an example of versions which do exist. There are references to other early versions as well. All of these differ in at least some ways from modern Qur'ans thus demonstrating there do exist (many) different versions. Nothing particularly surprising about this except that it demonstrably refutes the claim of a "single version". |
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airmano ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 March 2014 Status: Offline Points: 884 |
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Because you ask me to look at the Quran "with an open mind". So I ask you to do the same with issues that contradict the official muslim doctrine. Airmano Edited by airmano - 23 July 2016 at 4:04am |
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For a long time, the Topkapi manuscript and the Samarkand Kufic Quran were considered the oldest Quran copies in existence. Both codices are more or less complete. They are written in the Kufic script. It "can generally be dated from the late eighth century depending on the extent of development in the character of the script in each case."
If you read carefully, you will notice that both Samarkand and Topkapi copies are Uthmanic. There are references to other early versions as well. All of these differ in at least some ways from modern Qur'ans thus demonstrating there do exist (many) different versions. Post a link to the said references. Nothing particularly surprising about this except that it demonstrably refutes the claim of a "single version". Far from being demonstrable, your references fail to even prove what you had set out to prove. What you need to to do is to prove that there are Qurans out there in the public domain being read as scripture and which differ from each other. |
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The Saint ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 November 2014 Status: Offline Points: 832 |
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Because you ask me to look at the Quran "with an open mind".
Have you as yet? So I ask you to do the same with issues that contradict the official muslim doctrine. You claim there are so called contradictions but have failed to cite any. |
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The Sanaa scriptures are already a contradiction to the doctrine for the uniqueness of the Quran (I thought God protects the [uniqueness of the] Quran. If so, he did a lousy job in this case) Airmano Edited by airmano - 08 August 2016 at 9:01am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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The Sanaa scriptures are already a contradiction to the doctrine for the uniqueness of the Quran
How is that? (I thought God protects the [uniqueness of the] Quran. If so, he did a lousy job in this case) It seems to me you are labouring to suggest that the Sanaa manuscript demonstrates something to you that you would like to share to prove something you have in mind? |
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Don't play the fool ! Airmano |
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