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Tobias 
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 Posted: 23 November 2017 at 1:14am |
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I am not here to ongoingly wrangle with someone who has obviously not taken the time to find out what is closer to the truth than what we has been taught to us by the institutions of this plane,t.
It makes perfect sense to me that you continue to follow the norm of the masses,, for now,,, because it both serves your egoism and your laziness, plus its much more comfortable for you to be the same as your peers.. I can't blame you at all. I don't know who "Us" is when you refer to it, Or who it is I am to think its ok to that they might be simple st#�!d people?? This is our debate,, no one else's,, Its not nice to apply others or make such a childish statement,, have some respect, I have come to this seemingly sensible site to learn more about what the Quran has to say about the firmament and the state of our domain.. Here I link genesis on this subject.. Genesis one,, In the beginning,,, passage 6. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NIV To me,, this is a clue,, a symbol,, a direction to discover,, I am looking for signs in the Quran that might be similar to these words.. I also went through the stage of ridiculing this revealing,, for years,,, then I understood... Now I'm not interested in trying to convince stubborn people that take zero time to discover for themselves.. I will answer any questions you might have as far as this debate goes,, please ask awkward questions about how the earth cannot have a firmament or being flat or anything else you can think of.. Pull it apart if you can,, but don't resort to belittling people, its very insulting and frustrating. BTW, ISS is supposedly 400 kilometers above sea level and as big as a double decker bus,,,! Would you be able to see a double decker bus 400 kilometers away???? What you see in the sky is military craft traveling at speeds of mach 2 or more,, If we indeed have sattelites ,, then why do our phones become without service when out of phone tower range? The whole earth would be covered without interruption if served by the fictitional sattelites.. You say gravity is understood??? Please send me the explanatory link.. I would like to see the formulae for it,, Meantime, here's one of our leading scientists telling us its misunderstood.. Neil degrass. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=22s&v=Efh4bu4rcbs A little question for you... Why does our atmosphere not get stripped off into the vacuume of space? Another,,, how can I use a zoom lens to see a ship 80 nautical miles away without it disappearing into the curvature? Another,,, What model mostly proves to us that we have a creator? Another, How do we feel the heat of the sun when its 93 million miles away and so small in the sky?? Another,,, How do we not see the other side of the moon when every other so called planets supposedly rotate?? Another, How does a compass work on a ball?? Another,, Airplanes stay level in flight,,, why don't they end up in space... Check that one,, its a doozy. Another,,, Why is the sky blue when space is black?? All these things are so simple for anyone to consider.. Yet people like your good self deny these facts and overlook the devastating anomalies in front of them.. Please,,, be deductive and not abusive.. Its much more beneficial... Put ego, belief, laziness, indoctrines, etc on the shelf for a short while and open up to the possibilities. It does pay... As crazy as these things sound to you now,,, It will make perfect sense if you take the discovery time and make you more grounded and at one with everything.. Namaste. |
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airmano
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Posted: 23 November 2017 at 12:46pm |
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Tobias:
The computer, the data transmission with the server, the Led-light illuminating your screen: all these are products based on deep scientific understandings. If you consider science (and its implications) as the work of the shaytan how can you avoid the wrath of god he must have for those who get abducted by the use of these devilish instruments ? Airmano Edited by airmano - 23 November 2017 at 12:47pm |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Tobias
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How do you know that Satan, or Shaytan is any kind of entity?? How do you know that god is any kind of entity?? Going by faith of others?? Not good enough..
Science gives us many things but where does the understanding of leds and computers originate? Tell me,, are you aware that this earth is in 5th cycle? Meaning that we have undergone 4 cycles of civilisations and the technologies already.. We are discovering ancient nuclear plutonium rods underground.. This realm of perception is not only illusory but also a duality so god and the devil are presented to us as a conflict,, I suggest that these two ideas are merely a construct of a higher mind Put here in our consciousness so that we might deal with that conflict in much the same way as we are dealing with different religions , races, borders, wars, flat or round earth, .. Its endless,,, Do you see the pattern? We are part of the creator and the creator is a part of us.. Nothing is physical. Only perceived through five senses for humans.. We are cutting edge technology for the fact that we are discovering a duality out of the oneness,, Me personally would like to go back to the oneness as I find this squabbling very tiresome. It is as well that we only suffer a mortal lifetime in one sitting of this duality,, Its nice to know that our awareness stays sentient when our bodies die and we return to a new fetus to start again with only memory erased from previous earthen lifetimes. This is not possible in the physical/scientific world.. That world is very restricting.. Why do you think they call it the. "LAW" of physics? Because you are subject to those laws,, have you ever thought about the lawmaker and the world beyond that law? No I guess not.. Quote:: Trent Reznor 1993,, God is dead, And no one cares, If there is a hell, I'll see you there. |
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Tim the plumber
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Unlucky. When you spout gibberish I will tell you that you are doing so and also tell the world. Your lies will not be going unchallenged.
Eh?
Not bothering with actual facts there, straight to the whach jobs.
A double decker buss with extended solar pannels. Well 3 seconds research changes that;
https://www.globaltelesat.co.uk/satellite-phones?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkYiX8d_y1wIVg73tCh3ohQArEAAYAyAAEgJ_wPD_BwE You can get the ones that use a signal straight up to the satalites or the normal cheaper ones that use the local tower to get into the communication network.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bq82MmGNFE That we have not the total complete understanding of the universe does not mean that we have no understanding of it. In physics you will have to start at the bottom and work up. Jumping in at the front edge of research and speculation will just confuse you.
Good question. The answer is that the pressure down here is due to all the air above us pressing down in us. The pressure drops as you go up. At the top of the atmosphere the prssure is zero. Although as this happens the density of the air is also dropping, so the actual top of the atmosphere is sort of a vague fading away thing. The gravity of the earth is still pulling down on those atoms at the top though. Also, it is being striped away by the solar wind. And refreshed by geological process from the earth which produce nitrogen and carbondioxide mostly from volcanoes.
Only by standing on a high mountain or being in a plane.
Eh? There is no scientific evidence that such a thing exists.
Because it is so hot.
Because as it orbits around the earth it rotates to show the same face to the earth due to being tidally locked. This is where the gravity of a body which is close to another which has liquid oceans on it causes tides in those oceans. The effect of these is to slow the earth's rotation. And to slow the moon's. The moon being smaller has had a greater effect from this and has stopped sooner.
Eh? Same as it works on your hand! The magnetic field of the earth is a 3 dimensional thing as all magnetic fields are.
Because they stay parallel to the earth's surface. That is they slowly arc forward/down to keep at the same altitude. The process is so slow that it is imperceptable.
Because the colour of water is blue and there is a lot of it floating around as vapour in the air. Thus the light scattered around by it from the sun gets coloured blue.
Any very easy to find out about with your computer. Do so. Then think of how you can check them and do some checks. Enjoy the process. It will be fun.
If you post claims that are drivel I will tell you so. I will tell you to stop lying and being a fool. If you ask questions, although fewer at a time would be good, I will do my best to answer them. I will not be able to answer every thing. When this happens I will say that I do not know. Occaisionally I will be wrong. I will not do this deliberately or knowingly. We all make mystakes. Edited by Tim the plumber - 05 December 2017 at 3:46am |
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Tobias
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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 2:09am |
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We both think each other crazy,, That's obvious,, But when you look at the ruling classes of our world,, Again, Objectively, You will find that they need the human race to be immersed in conflict in order to serve their agenda,, This is one conflicting subject among many others,, The earth has only been believed to be a sphere for around 500 years, This ruling elites bloodlines have held power since the summarians, About 6000 years ago..
Meantime I suggest you have a look at this link,, It will answer all of your questions, And have tangeable proof against gravity, vision , etc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ax_YpQsy88 Even an object the size of 10 football fields cannot be seen by humans at the distance of the supposed space station... You claim to know science, Then practice some of your own without listening to anyone,, Especially scientists, Then you will see. |
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Tim the plumber
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No we have not. In a million years the archeology of our roads, swers, railways, sky scrapers and all the rest will be utterly obvious to any amature with any interest in these things. We have not been here before. |
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airmano
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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 1:47pm |
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@Tobias
Are you a "Matrix" fan ? Honestly, I do not understand anything from your post. Airmano Edited by airmano - 06 December 2017 at 1:48pm |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Tobias
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That's OK. Some people do not have the capacity to go beyond a belief system. The matrix movie by the way is a good way to consider our so called reality.. I consider that movie to be a clue given to us by the ruling elite,, same as avatar and many others..
Nevertheless,, I respect your condition, have a happy day.. |
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In fact, I have a very strong suspicion now that science itself is a contrive by people or entities for the sole purpose of derailing the human condition.