Quran and Crucifixion

Fredi,

Then look for it in an offline dictionary. Are you suggesting the word "Crucification" does not exist in the written and spoken English?

I got it from the people writing all over the internet. I did not create the word before me.  

Hi Angela, Greetings

From you: "BMZ,

I too have been searching for the word crucification, I have consulted several internet dictionaries and had my grandmother consult her dictionary which is literall about 10 inches thick.  I cannot find this word anywhere in a dictionary.  I had found the word used by people on forums but I'm wondering if its just not a widely used mispelling. 

If you can find a site that actually has this word as a definition.  A dictionary. I would appreciate it."

In fact I have heard the word Crucification since I was a young boy and heard it more than Crucifixion. Bible has been edited many times in order to improve translation. The translators (I don't know who they are and where do they sit, as no one knows), for years, have been trying to get as close as possible to the original Greek text (please allow me to  a li'l bit here) as nothing is available in Hebrew or Aramaic. As a young man, I had always heard of the Holy Ghost but now it is the Holy Spirit in the recent times.

It is my gut feeling that the word Crucification was also changed gradually to Crucifixion to show that Jesus was nailed on to the cross, instead of tied or fastened.

The word Crucification is still in use and I could only find some pages which have used that. All the pages are unIslamic.

Personally, I hate quoting links and submitting long posts but was necessary and I hope this would help the disbelievers of the Word, Crucification:

Christian teaching of the crucification of Jesus took place on Friday afternoon about 3 P.M., He was buried about 6 P.M. and rose from the dead early Sunday morning. It is derived from Roman Catholic doctrine and most Christian religions follow it. The only thing that is right in this is the times of 3 and 6 P.M. All the rest is wrong according to our Bibles. By this teaching Jesus is only dead 2 nights and 1 day, clearly not what the Bible and Jesus states.

The proper teaching of the Crucification was maintained for about 100 years after the event. Then the Roman Catholic Church changed the entire time periods. This most likely came about because they did not understand Jewish Holy Days and Passover and Sabbaths or simply refused to believe them. In any case they changed it. Any minister/church who follows or teaches this doctrine is deceiving you and is following the Antichrist. Any young child can easily count to 3, and there is no way you can get 3 days and 3 nights in the ground from Friday evening until Sunday morning. No statement in the Bible says He died on Friday, or that He was buried on Friday or that He rose on Sunday.

Jesus stated to the Pharisees, "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas; For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." MATT.12:39,40. Jesus clearly states he must be dead 3 days and 3 nights before He rises, not 1 day and 2 nights. Read the Book of Jonas, it's only 2 pages long.

"Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonas was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." JONAH.1:17. In the Book of Jonah it says God prepared a "large fish." To show that such a large fish could exist I will give you the following examples. A Mediterranean fish was caught several years ago, and exhibited in Beirut which had a head that weigh 6 tons. A man standing on the lower jaw could not reach the upper jaw, and it had a mouth opening 8 feet across. Source:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/crucifixion.html

Please note that the title is Crucifixion but the writer uses the old word crucification.

Another: http://www.kiddyhouse.com/Holidays/Easter/Easter.html

http://www.dollsofindia.com/product/PE71/

This one is interesting:

• Jesus of Nazareth underwent Jewish and Roman trials, was flogged, and was sentenced to death by crucification. The scourging produced deep stripelike lacerations and appreciable blood loss, and it probably set the stage for hypovolemic shock, as evidenced by the fact that Jesus was too weakened to carry the crossbar (patibulum) to Golgotha. At the site of crucifixion, his wrists were nailed to the patibulum and, after the patibulum was lifted onto the upright post (stipes), his feet were nailed to the stipes. The major pathophysiologic effect of crucifixion was an interference with normal respiration. Accordingly, death resulted primarily from hypovolemic shock and exhaustion asphyxia. Jesus' death was ensured by the thrust of a soldier's spear into his side. Modern medical interpretation of the historical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead when taken down from the cross. (JAMA 1986; 255:1455-1462)

Link:http://holytrinity.ok.goarch.org/Interesting%20Stuff/Sp ecial%20Communication%20Plus%20Picture.html

Thus we know that there is and always was a Word in English, known as Crucification. We are not discussing the contents. Now the question is where did the Word go?  

My understanding is that Crucification means to hang up a person on a cross, tie up his hands and legs, leaving him to die. But perhaps, the translators wanted a word that could make the crucification look more and more horrible and dreadful and came up with the word Crucifixion.

In the Hebrew and other Semitic and Oriental languages, "Crucify him" simply means "Hang him up" on something, not hanging with a rope tied around the neck.

Important Note to any Wannabe Polemic   : The above is just to show that there is a word in English known as Crucification.

Best Regards

BMZ

Patty,

I agree.  The interchangeable nature does not mean they are two separate things.  The bodies were not allowed to stay on the cross during the Sabbath, so the Roman Soldiers had to make sure they were dead before they removed the bodies.  Therefore (whoever) was on the cross was very dead.

Now, the Quran challenges that it was Jesus Christ upon the cross and that it was actually someone else.  They say God does not require a blood sacrifice for all men.  Then I ask this question.

Why would God need to kill a man in the likeness of Christ when he could just spare him as he did so many other Prophets to prove his Glory?  (examples are Daniel, Isaiah, Moses, the 3 Hebrews....)

What is the purpose of the deception?  It certainly proved nothing about his ministry and teachings if he was secreted away to India to never be heard from again?  It only proved his words false that he would be party to a deception and the death of another man. 

Sacrifice is a concept in all three faiths.  Murder is a concept condemned by all three.  Executing a man in the place of another is wrong and no God I worship would need such a deception.

Another point, Angela

From you: "Sacrifice is a concept in all three faiths.  Murder is a concept condemned by all three.  Executing a man in the place of another is wrong and no God I worship would need such a deception."

But Human Sacrifice is not a concept in all the three faiths. Human sacrifice was never required by God Almighty. I have heard of only animal sacrifice, that too, for feeding to the poor and the needy.

Could you let me have your thoughts on this, please? For God wasn't like the godess Kalimata of the Hindus.

Best Regards

BMZ