FAO: Fatima (Islam Questions)

Rational Mind wrote:

superme wrote:

Rational Mind wrote:

OK, with respect to battle of badar and the angels... Allah in the Qu'ran states, in verses: 3.124, 126 that 3000 angels helped the Muslims, in the Battle of badar and then later in the Qu'ran Allah contradict this and makes a cartographic mathematical error in verses 8.9, 10 by stating that it was 1000 angels that helped the Muslims in the battle of badar therefore Allah makes a contradiction. A prefect god doesn't make contradictions.

I remember reading Muhammad Haikal "Biography of Muhammad" in which it states that the first battle was the battle of Badr. The 2nd battle was a year later known as the battle of Uhud.

In the battle of Badr the number of muslims were 300 facing 1000 quraish. In the battle of Uhud it was 1000 against 3000.

The number of Angels mentioned here seem corresponding with the number of the quraish in two different battles, 1000 and 3000.

RM you need to check these numbers first in the khadith or history books, as I type this of memory. Maybe other posters can help as well if these numbers are correct.

Dude its in the Qu'ran and Allah is talking about the battle of baddar and how many angels he sent to help the Muslims.

003.124
YUSUFALI: Remember thou saidst to the Faithful: "Is it not enough for you that Allah should help you with three thousand angels (Specially) sent down?
PICKTHAL: When thou didst say unto the believers: Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord should support you with ]three thousand angels sent down (to your help)?
SHAKIR: When you said to the believers: Does it not suffice you that your Lord should assist you with three thousand of the angels sent down?

Ref: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.124

And then Allah says:
008.009
YUSUFALI: Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you: "I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks."
PICKTHAL: When ye sought help of your Lord and He answered you (saying): I will help you with a thousand of the angels, rank on rank.
SHAKIR: When you sought aid from your Lord, so He answered you: I will assist you with a thousand of the angels following one another.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.009

I would not think Allah has amnesia.

Salam wa alaikum Rational I will clear up this misconeptions,What rational is saying is that in once place Allah says: USUFALI: Remember thou saidst to the Faithful: "Is it not enough for you that Allah should help you with three thousand angels (Specially) sent down?

And then in another place it says: SHAKIR: When you sought aid from your Lord, so He answered you: I will assist you with a thousand of the angels following one another.

My Dear sister rational THere is NO contradiction there. When we say I will give you thousands of books does it mean 1 thousand or thousands? Notice the quran says I will send you three thousand angels....then in the other verse it says I will give you a THOUSAND OF ANGELS. Notice it is not telling us HOW many thousands....it doesen't say 3 thousand or 2 thousand or 1 thousand.It just say a thousand of angels. (a variant reading [of alf, 'thousand'] has the plural āluf, 'thousands', similar [in pattern] to aflus, 'coins. Since it is the ENGLISH quran you are going to have a tad bit problems,but you still nit pick.

Again There is no contradicition.