Sura 86...

Greetings Deus,

Thanks for your reply�

Yes, Quranic exegesis requires hadith support.

Please provide a reference that states this�thanks�

I don't understand what you mean by "the Koran cannot stand on its own." Please provide an exegesis for your statement - "the Koran cannot stand on its own" - because it cannot stand on its own.

You are the one that stated that your book of faith cannot be �interpreted� without support from hadith�.thus, this tells us that the Koran is not clear, and needs help in order to deliver its intended message�

Thanks�

Greetings Noah,

Thanks for your replies�

I gave you a litterature list, because i know where he got most of his information from. mainly manley p hall as i told you.  I have been into this longer than 5 minutes, and i will show you why in a minute. You are just angry that your make believe god does not exist and you know it.

You have plagiarized the work of others.

Just admit to this...and don�t do it again�

No the correct term for what i was doing is called making a compendium. since you are so keen on word, im going to show you its deifinition

compendium

n 1: a publication containing a variety of works [syn: collection] 2: a concise but comprehensive summary of a larger work

com�pen�di�um    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (k m-p n d - m)
n. pl. com�pen�di�ums or com�pen�di�a (-d - )

1. A short, complete summary; an abstract.
2. A list or collection of various items.

And you know, as a matter of fact. many great works got preserved this way. Works that no longer exists, but do in parts, in compendiums, like...the bible.

Once again�you failed to give your references (surprise).

Here is what Webster�s tells us:

com�pen�di�um 

1 : a brief summary of a larger work or of a field of knowledge : ABSTRACT

ab�stract

1 a : disassociated from any specific instance <abstract entity> b : difficult to understand : ABSTRUSE <abstract problems> c : insufficiently factual : FORMAL <possessed only an abstract right>

Thus�even by your very own admission�.you are operating under:

• disassociated from any specific instance
• difficult to understand
• insufficiently factual

Should we be at all surprised�?

Since (according to your research) you have no issue at all with Horus being the morning star of  sura 86; let�s see how far the rabbit hole goes�

I do, i just told you that its sirius

Where is your evidence�?

You have none.

Zero.

Natta.

Zippo.

• Horus is the morning star�sura 86 is called the morning star

Yes wich is wrong, the suras doesnt have any names

• Sura 86 is called the morning star not because it refers to a cosmological body, but because it refers to an �individual� �alttariqi�

they could have called the surah little red riding hood, it still hasnt got a name. and it in no way represents the meaning of the verse

Wrong.

86.1 & 86.2 both clearly call-out the morning star, �alttariqi�.

In fact, 86.1 swears by �alttariqi�...and 86.2 asks the question where you have heard of �alttariqi�, making it an already known entity.

This sets the stage for the entire sura.

• Horus was the light�the morning star was the light�86.3
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• Horus was crucified�the morning star was crucified�86.6 � 86.7
• Horus was resurrected�the morning star was resurrected�86.8
• Horus was the word�the morning star was the word �laqawlun� �86.13
• This then makes the holy messenger�s word  �laqawlun� of 69.40 & 81.19, Horus, which occupies the throne of �allah�

So none of your claims are true. go figure.

You call this a rebuttal�.?

Pasting in a freeminds rendering�?

When are you ever going to get serious�?

and its still sirius like it or not. alternatively it can be venus. None of them linked to horus.

Dead wrong.

Please tell us�

• Is Sirius worshiped as God as demonstrated in sura 86?
• Is Sirius crucified as demonstrated in sura 86?
• Is Sirius resurrected as demonstrated in sura 86?

Now�you have no choice but to accept these other facts that you also want to pertain to your pagan god Horus�and just from sura 86�.!

what facts, you still havent presented any.

Since you do not comprehend the mother tongue of your book o faith, what �fact� is still escaping your intellect today�?

You truly do worship a pagan god�.

whom? this guy?

he was born on the 25th of december etc. etc..

As long as you keep clinging tenaciously to your �Horus theory�, and you believe in your book of faith, then yes; you are worshiping a pagan god�

For the most part, the Koran is 99% translated Biblical material.  However, it does contain quite a smorgasbord of other heretical Jewish and Christian scriptures as well.

On christianity is nothing but a hodge podge of stuff collected from all over the world, so atleast we have a source that we know of if we assume that this is how it happened.

Now that you are cognizant regarding your book of faith�s origins�how do you feel about worshiping the pagan god horus�?

Does it feel good�?

Further, the �allah� of the Koran traces its roots back to pagan Arab deities�which should be right down your alley�

No it doesnt. Some fools claim that it originates from al'at only based upon the fact that the worship of al'at often was linked to miniliths.

its not a name its a term, this is why arab chrisitans call God, Allah.

Dead wrong.

�allah� is fully rooted in pagan Arab deities.

This is a cold, hard, fact of life�.that we can perhaps pursue in the future if you are up to it�

As it is�you have already acknowledged (and have absolutely no issue with) the pagan god Horus being discussed in sura 86.

Basically, the pagan Arab god �allah� of the Koran has been wrapped in Biblical deity, by the authors who penned the text.

Oh this is explains why you see horus everywhere all of a sudden.

No.

We are just using your �research� to show you that you must practice what you preach.

You already admitted that the god horus was discussed in sura 86�don�t backtrack on us now�

By doing so, the authors of the Koran have confirmed that Jesus is God Almighty.

You mean horus, right? or is it mithra? or howabout krishna?

You tell us�it�s your book of faith�

We are sure that you were already aware of this�

I am, thats what im trying to tell you. you are worshipping horus, start with sorting that out. then come save us :)

If we are worshiping horus (per your theory), then you are also worshiping horus�

[quote]Sura 86 is called the morning star not because it refers to a cosmological body, but because it refers to an �individual� �alttariqi�[quote]

And before you demonstrate further utter ignorance on the subject at hand. Horus is not an individual, horus is the sun, a facet of the suns travel on the heavens. So whatever the morning star is in Quran, it cant be horus, and you just argued your way into a corner on this.

Again�

• Horus is the morning star�sura 86 is called the morning star
• Sura 86 is called the morning star not because it refers to a cosmological body, but because it refers to an �individual� �alttariqi�
• Horus was the light�the morning star was the light�86.3
• Horus was crucified�the morning star was crucified�86.6 � 86.7
• Horus was resurrected�the morning star was resurrected�86.8
• Horus was the word�the morning star was the word �laqawlun� �86.13
• This then makes the holy messenger�s word  �laqawlun� of 69.40 & 81.19, Horus, which occupies the throne of �allah�

You brushed this off before�because you can�t be bothered with putting forth the extra effort into understanding your book of faith�

Now�let�s see if you can give it a try to refute your very own �horus theory� when it resides in your beloved book of faith�

Don�t run away from the truth�

Have fun�

Greetings Noah,

Thanks for your reply�

1 : a brief summary of a larger work or of a field of knowledge

Looks like you are still clinging tenaciously to your choice of words in order to cover up your blatant plagiarism�

Let�s add taking things out of context, to your repertoire.

Go do your homework on astro theology, its not my problem that you dont know that the morning star is venus. And that the refference works for the surah says its the dog star. The dog star is sirius.
Neither assiociated with Horus.

Absolutely amazing�.

Not even so much as a hint of a reference to back up your opinion.

Yes it was because the arabs, were heavily into...tadaaa astro theology. Most of that whole area was. why do you think alat was linked to a monolith?

So�.now you are vacillating back to the morning star entity�?

Let us know (if, and when) you ever make up your mind�

no there is a refference to sirius, or venus in another context. I dont know what it is that you think you ahve proved.

You already acknowledged that horus was mentioned in sura 86�

Want to change your position�already�.?

No i call that calling you on BS. inventing stuff thats not even in the verse regardless of rendering.

We have the highest quality Lexicography supporting our position.

You have nothing.

• Is Sirius worshiped as God as demonstrated in sura 86?
• Is Sirius crucified as demonstrated in sura 86?
• Is Sirius resurrected as demonstrated in sura 86?

The verse is not talking about sirius, its making a refference to it.

First of all, it�s not one ayah, but several�

Secondly, sura 86 never once makes a reference to Sirius.

Try again�

Let�s review this cluster of replies from you.

It appears that your well of googled answers has run dry�as you slavishly repast the same exact worthless reply�

we are not the ones claiming that our god was born on the 25th of december (etc all the list i have posted umerous times now) reality check here. Nomatter what you seem to manage to draw out of surah 86, our concept of God is not anything like or similar to that of Horus/Jesus/Mithra/Hesus etc..

we are not the ones claiming that our god was born on the 25th of december (etc all the list i have posted umerous times now) reality check here. Nomatter what you seem to manage to draw out of surah 86, our concept of God is not anything like or similar to that of Horus/Jesus/Mithra/Hesus etc..

we are not the ones claiming that our god was born on the 25th of december (etc all the list i have posted umerous times now) reality check here. Nomatter what you seem to manage to draw out of surah 86, our concept of God is not anything like or similar to that of Horus/Jesus/Mithra/Hesus etc..

we are not the ones claiming that our god was born on the 25th of december (etc all the list i have posted umerous times now) reality check here.

Surely you are aware of why that date was chosen�

Even Stephen Hawking understands this one.

We have already proven (according to your very own �researched� criteria), that you worship the pagan god horus�and all from sura 86�!

You don�t comprehend Arabic�the very mother-tongue of the book that you are entrusting your eternal soul towards�and you have amply displayed total and complete incompetence at refuting the Arabic�thus, you once again fall completely and utterly flat on your face in attempting to defend it�

We ask you again�please put forth a concerted effort in your replies�

Thanks�