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The Saint 
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 Posted: 01 April 2015 at 7:07am |
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Rome was pagan, too!
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Caringheart
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Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
Posted: 03 April 2015 at 3:44am |
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Greetings The Saint,
If I am remembering correctly from previous study... the Passover meal, in that year, would have taken place on a Wednesday(this is the day the Romans seized Him)... Yshwe was subsequently put on the cross, and ceased life at 3:00 on Thursday... and it was required that the body be prepared so that He would be entombed before the Sabbath... i.e., sundown on Friday.... and Sabbath lasts from sundown on Friday until Sundown on Saturday. By my estimation that is Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings that Yshwe was perished from the earth... Thursday 3:00, till Sunday, whenever they showed up to the tomb and found Him gone? So if it wasn't discovered that the tomb was empty until sometime towards dusk? You would be correct if you wish to say that I am grasping here... perhaps the empty tomb wasn't discovered until Monday... and it is true, it is just possible that the early church chose to commemorate the risen Christ on Sunday to suit the pagans... although I have a hard time seeing how, why, or when, that might have occurred... we'll never know precisely how the church came to do things the way that they did... I can't imagine the early followers of Yshwe doing anything other than keeping in remembrance, things the way that they actually were though... So yes, that would leave the question... was He 3 days and 3 nights ceased from the earth? It depends on when they went to the tomb and found it empty and how the story was told, and retold. It may have been tweaked along the way. just as we'll never know precisely the whole story about the Ka'aba... traditions and practices grow up over time, and we do not always know all the paths that were taken to arrive at where we are today. There is nothing, however, that will ever change my mind that Yshwe is the way, the Truth, and the life.... Yshwe's way... the things He taught... belief in Him... is THE Way. His way is peace. His way is Love. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart 37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. 38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. 39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. 40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; 41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem. 42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. Edited by Caringheart - 03 April 2015 at 9:48pm |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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786iec
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Posted: 06 April 2015 at 9:31am |
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You made sure you did not give any reference from the Bible all you did was spew non truth why don't you quote the Bible and let us take it from there when did he supposedly dia and when was he supposedly resurrected.You deliberately left the Bible out of your reply why??? [IMG]smileys/smiley32.gif" align="middle" />
http://www.ipci.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Crucifixion-or-Crucifiction.pdf Please read and educate yourself. Edited by 786iec - 06 April 2015 at 9:45am |
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Caringheart
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Posted: 06 April 2015 at 7:20pm |
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Greetings 786iec,
Yes, I have already studied Mr. Deedat's book. Gracias, Danke, Shukran, und salaam, Caringheart |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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786iec
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Posted: 07 April 2015 at 1:48pm |
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Hi
You have read the book and you still going on about the three days and three nights. New International Version This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.Matthew 13:13 |
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The Saint
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Posted: 10 April 2015 at 7:09am |
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reetings The Saint,
If I am remembering correctly from previous study... the Passover meal, in that year, would have taken place on a Wednesday(this is the day the Romans seized Him)... Yshwe was subsequently put on the cross, and ceased life at 3:00 on Thursday... and it was required that the body be prepared so that He would be entombed before the Sabbath... i.e., sundown on Friday.... and Sabbath lasts from sundown on Friday until Sundown on Saturday. By my estimation that is Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings that Yshwe was perished from the earth... Thursday 3:00, till Sunday, whenever they showed up to the tomb and found Him gone? So if it wasn't discovered that the tomb was empty until sometime towards dusk? You would be correct if you wish to say that I am grasping here... perhaps the empty tomb wasn't discovered until Monday... and it is true, it is just possible that the early church chose to commemorate the risen Christ on Sunday to suit the pagans... although I have a hard time seeing how, why, or when, that might have occurred... All records and all scholars unanimously agree that Jesus PBUH was supposedly crucified on Friday. That is why you have a Good Friday and not a good Thursday. Yes, you are obviously trying very hard to fit scripture into history. Mary Magdaleine went to the tomb on Sunday morning. So there is no way you can get three days and three nights. What do you not know about the Kaaba? There is nothing, however, that will ever change my mind that Yshwe is the way, the Truth, and the life.... Yshwe's way... the things He taught... belief in Him... is THE Way. His way is peace. His way is Love. Like all messengers of God he preached the truth. But he prescribed no new rules. He came only to fulfill the Mosaic law. |
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Caringheart
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Posted: 10 April 2015 at 10:02pm |
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Greetings The Saint. Disagree. I was surprised when, during my explorations(my studying and researching the Christian faith), I found otherwise.
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24586&KW=ka%27%27aba&PN=1 Imoti contends that there were numerous such "Kaaba" sanctuaries in Arabia at one time, but this was the only one built of stone. The others also allegedly had counterparts of the Black Stone. There was a "red stone", the deity of the south Arabian city of Ghaiman, and the "white stone" in the Kaaba of al-Abalat (near the city of Tabala, south of Mecca). Grunebaum in Classical Islam points out that the experience of divinity of that period was often associated with stone fetishes, mountains, special rock formations, or "trees of strange growth." "The Ka'aba of Mecca was one of several Ka'abas across Arabia each one dedicated to a different god and each having its own coloured stone , the one in Mecca was dedicated to the god Hubal a phoentical distortion of the Canaanite god Ba'al(it started out as Haba'al meaning "The lord" which later on gave birth to Allah which have a similar meaning). Now on the subject of who built it, it's note worthy to point out to the Islamic 3 "Satan's stelles" that Muslims gather around each year to throw stones at in a symbolic way of stoning the Devil .The Bedouins (who raised Mohammed) had Djins - square stone boxes where they believed spirits rested. The Kaaba can be seen loosely as fitting in with this tradition, although the Kaaba could be walked into. There are still some Djins in Petra. If you google 'Djin', you'll see some images. The Kaaba was a place where different, often warring Bedouin tribes would come and, in respite from war, honour their gods. This helped foster trade, and Mecca developed as a commercial as well as spiritual hub." --------------------------------- It seems that the ka'aba was a part of the general culture, other gods, and stones, and there were many of them, long before Muhammad turned the one in Mecca to the purpose of his religion, claiming the religion of Abraham and the one God. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 10 April 2015 at 10:12pm |
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Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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786iec
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Posted: 15 April 2015 at 12:45pm |
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Greetings Caringheart,
I am quite surprised that in your theses and doctoral study of the Kaaba you have not looked at your Bible? If you read Ezekiel 40 to 47 you will be pleasantly surprised to find that the only square church in the world is the Kaaba,and the prophet Ezekiel gives the proper measurement with the archers and the well of Zamzam.You will have to go back to Sunday school and study your Bible. iec |
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