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Points: 138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2006 at 6:15pm

Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

well, tell us more apple pie.......

The sura title alone tells us that it is about Jesus (i.e. The Morning Star)...
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Points: 3057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2006 at 6:24pm

Apple Pie:

"Indeed the Koran refers to (and confirms) the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Sura 86 tells us without a doubt that it occurred..."

Once again you are speading lies without any evidence. Sura 86, which verse? Can you explain that?

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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Points: 138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2006 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

Apple Pie:

"Indeed the Koran refers to (and confirms) the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Sura 86 tells us without a doubt that it occurred..."

Once again you are speading lies without any evidence. Sura 86, which verse? Can you explain that?

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First off, we don't lie.

Period.

Calling others "liars" is the last recourse of an individual that has no defensible position. 

We would hope that this does not apply to you.

Secondly, please explain the sura title for us - just so that we understand why this sura was named as it was...

 

Thanks...
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Apple Pie:

Which verse is it in surah 86? Would you answer it to prove that you are not spreading lies?

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Points: 138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2006 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

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Which verse is it in surah 86? Would you answer it to prove that you are not spreading lies?

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86.7....refers to Jesus' Crucifixion

86.8....refers to Jesus' Resurrection

 

 
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Points: 1187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2006 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by Apple Pie Apple Pie wrote:

Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

well, tell us more apple pie.......

The sura title alone tells us that it is about Jesus (i.e. The Morning Star)...

For those not aquainted with Apple, he is somewhat of an oddball evangelical well known for his long winded, juvenile tirades. He spends a great deal of time producing really bad pieces, coming across as some sort of "independent researcher". A warning to all (including Christians): He will waste your time like no other as you will soon discover he will obfuscate and twist verse interpretations to make outlandish conclusions such as the Quran confirms the doubtful church work known as Revelations, or that the Quran confirms the church's views on Jesus, or other nonsensical notions.

Apple will circumvent every rule of debate and critical thinking and on other forumns where he is known he is simply ignored or banned. Apple has no real intent on debate or discussion, and he will simply waste your time. Keep in mind that Apple takes his work very serious, regardless of the rules of logic that he breaks, or the basic notions of honest rhetoric. The second shock that will hit you is when one ultimately understands that he truly feels his work is "serious".

If interested, I can paste links from another forum to all of the material he has trashed the forum with now, and I could save him time by pasting the links to the future bits of silliness he will no doubt place here.  

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Originally posted by Andalus Andalus wrote:

Originally posted by Apple Pie Apple Pie wrote:

Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

well, tell us more apple pie.......

The sura title alone tells us that it is about Jesus (i.e. The Morning Star)...

For those not aquainted with Apple, he is somewhat of an oddball evangelical well known for his long winded, juvenile tirades. He spends a great deal of time producing really bad pieces, coming across as some sort of "independent researcher". A warning to all (including Christians): He will waste your time like no other as you will soon discover he will obfuscate and twist verse interpretations to make outlandish conclusions such as the Quran confirms the doubtful church work known as Revelations, or that the Quran confirms the church's views on Jesus, or other nonsensical notions.

Apple will circumvent every rule of debate and critical thinking and on other forumns where he is known he is simply ignored or banned. Apple has no real intent on debate or discussion, and he will simply waste your time. Keep in mind that Apple takes his work very serious, regardless of the rules of logic that he breaks, or the basic notions of honest rhetoric. The second shock that will hit you is when one ultimately understands that he truly feels his work is "serious".

If interested, I can paste links from another forum to all of the material he has trashed the forum with now, and I could save him time by pasting the links to the future bits of silliness he will no doubt place here.  

Now that we all know your true feelings...how about refuting our exegesis'...?

Or....perhaps you are unable....
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Points: 1694 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2006 at 6:55pm

This Surah is speaking of the Word, the Revelation of God. The lowliness of man, created from a single drop of sperm, and the Day of Judgement when all souls will be resurrected.

86:1 By the Sky and the Night-Visitant (therein);-

86:2 And what will explain to thee what the Night-Visitant is?-

86:3 (It is) the Star of piercing brightness;-

86:4 There is no soul but has a protector over it.

86:5 Now let man but think from what he is created!

86:6 He is created from a drop emitted-

86:7 Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

86:8 Surely ((Allah)) is able to bring him back (to life)!

86:9 The Day that (all) things secret will be tested,

86:10 (Man) will have no power, and no helper.
It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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