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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rami Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 November 2005 at 7:21pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Women have to understand something as it seems they are making the same mistake, your personnel experiances do not change the law or commands of Allah. The black and white truth is that the hijab is obligatory now seperate this from your perssonel expiriance and discuss the issue from there.

The discussion is, is the hijab Obligatory i commented on that. A person should first make clear what Allah has commanded us then say there are dispensations becouse of this and this situation. not simply say it should not be worn becouse of this and this situation.

read what i said in other posts and you will see you have said exactly what i did elsewhere, that the hijab is obligatory but there are diepensations such as physical danger where it would be permited to take it of with the intention of avoiding this real harm.

But i suggest you not make such comments a blanket statment as your situation is only for you and other people live elsehwere and do not have the same experiance as you so they have no excuse.

If a person does not like the hijab and does not wear it becouse of that but uses the dispensation you mentioned than this is blameworthy on there part, they can not hide anything from allah as he knows what is in our hearts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jenni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 November 2005 at 7:54pm
Rami- I agree and I honestly wish in my heart I could be brave and wear a chador all the time. I have no desire to appear modern, or beautiful to strangers out in public. In fact I really want people to leave me alone. I hope inshalla in the future we will move away from here and I can dress the way that is right. I don't feel at home here anymore anyway, hijab or not. Peace
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2005 at 4:59am
Originally posted by Alwardah Alwardah wrote:

As Salamu Alaikum

Yes I would be interested with that discussion because like I pointed out before, at one stage of my life I strongly believed Hijab was not an obligation and today I believe the opposite.

Maybe we can get some good points, when we discussion this issue from your research.

Ok, I see what I can do on the weekend

Quote This is an issue that will go on till eternity.

 me too .

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ummziba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2005 at 4:59am

Assalamu alaikum,

In this statement, Jenni, you certainly hit the very core of an important issue:

Originally posted by Jenni Jenni wrote:

I don't feel at home here anymore anyway, hijab or not.

I have been feeling the very same way myself for quite some time now - like a fish out of water.  People do need to realize that it is extremely hard to live your life as a Muslim in a non-Muslim country - and it is a thousand times harder for a woman in hijab.  And several thousand times harder for those without a Muslim community nearby.

May our dear Merciful Allah give all the Muslims in non-Muslim countries much courage and strength and much patience.

Peace, ummziba.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote queenie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2005 at 5:27am

I think it is wrong to say a mans opinion does not mean much on issues related to islam. The prophet (saw) was a man and had opinions on womens issues. Also most of our scholars who us women look to for rulings and fatwas are men. Therefore gender does not play an issue for me. there is no sexism in islam. A fact is a fact, whether its uttered from a mans mouth or a womans. Hijab is an islamic obligation. That is a fact. whether one wears it or not is their own choice and only allah can judge them. personally i find it amazing that the more and more i hear hijab as an issue in the media, in discussions and the more it is attacked. i see the total opposite effect. everywhere i look the hijab is becoming more and more visible by the day masha allah. i agree with jenni when she says that if one feels unsafe the ruling on hijab changes. i have heard this from dr jamal badawi. but must stress that he said "unsafe" means extreme circumstances where you feel that actual physical harm will come to you because of it. also when the danger is clear a woman should put the hijaab back on. seems logical to me. but there are differences of opinion on the matter.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Khadija1021 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2005 at 7:16am

Assalamu Alaikum

Brother Rami, you are right, there is no sexism in Islam; however, it thrives in the Ummah.  It was a major problem in the time of the Prophet (pbuh), one which the Qur'an commanded to be irradiated and that the Prophet (pbuh), to his dying breath, tired to instill into the hearts and minds of the Ummah.  I know I�m getting off topic so I will not say more.  Just wanted to point out that you are right on the one hand, but on the other, if your reference to �Islam� means the Ummah, then you are grossly in error.

Allah Hafiz

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jenni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 November 2005 at 7:18am
Queenie, I am saying on this issue a man does not know what it feels like to wear it or be a woman. It is sort of like a man giving you pregnancy advice. It is nothing against men or cerntianly has nothing to do with the prophets opinion. I was just referring to Rami and how men make stern comments against us sisters when they don't have to live as women or mothers or for some sisters single mothers. They DON'T usually understand the suffering that women in the world go through otherwise why are women in the world and in many Muslim countries in SUCH A TERRIBLE STATE??????
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Bismillah,

Ameen Jenni and Khadija!

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