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I agree with you that people of the Book must
1) be believers (that includes Jews and Christians)
2) have beliefs similar to those of Muslims (that includes Jews but not Christians).

If Christians had the same beliefs as Muslims before they went astray, there must be traces of that in history. Do those traces exist?

Does the Quran make a distinction between two kinds of Christians, those who followed the eternal religion of Islam (and deserved the name of people of the Book) and those from today?

When are Christians supposed to have split, as I have never heard of that?

If there existed Christians as people of the Book what happened to them?







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Beliefnet has a quiz you can take to see what religion  you best fit into.  I have had several Muslim friends take the quiz.  They always come up with 100% Muslim and 100% Jewish....Christianity falls further down the list.

I took the test as a Christian and Islam and Judaism fell about halfway down the list...of course, so did many Christian denominations.
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Originally posted by Cyril Cyril wrote:


Muhammad77

I agree with you that people of the Book must
1) be believers (that includes Jews and Christians)
2) have beliefs similar to those of Muslims (that includes Jews but not Christians).

If Christians had the same beliefs as Muslims before they went astray, there must be traces of that in history. Do those traces exist?

No. The traces do not exist. Because The Bible has been tampered, distorted by many people.

Originally posted by Cyril Cyril wrote:

Does the Quran make a distinction between two kinds of Christians, those who followed the eternal religion of Islam (and deserved the name of people of the Book) and those from today?

The Qur'an does not make distinction between two kinds of Christians. What is just says is the People of The book. And when Allah says about The Book, He talks about The Book which was revealed to the respective Prophets in their original form, and so the people of The Book are those people who were present at the time of their respective Prophets and believed and worshipped Allah and believed in The Holy Book revealed to them (in its original form).


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When are Christians supposed to have split, as I have never heard of that?

Instead of 'split', the true correct statement is - The Christians have gone astray.

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If there existed Christians as people of the Book what happened to them?
 

They died. Then after them there began to come people who were mischievious and they tampered, distorted The Book revealed to their Prophet.

 



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With all due respect, the priests, monks, and friars of antiquity did not "mischieviously tamper, distort, or corrupt" the Bible.  All they did was translate it into languages that could be read by all the people.  The Gospel and all scriptures are the same as they've always been, the ONLY difference is they were translated to make them understandable in a variety of languages. 
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Now the last question:
Why isn't the existence and disappearence of the Islamic Christians known and taught by history books and schools?


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Perhaps we are ultimately dealing here with an amalgamation.  As I see it, Christianity, doctrinally speaking, seems highly syncretistic (in its formative stages) and seems also to have repeatedly morphed.

 

At any rate, and as it relates especially to the ante-Nicene period, consider the history of the Ebionites and the unfortunate misplacement of their book, the Gospel According to the Hebrews (not to be confused with either the canonical Gospel According to Matthew or Epistle to the Hebrews), originally written in Hebrew, according to the compiler of the Vulgate, St. Jerome, who had it at hand (1).

 

It is said that Ibn-Warraq read from the Gospel, or Injil, in Hebrew (2).

 

To me, the Ebionites (and certain concepts such as the docetism found with the Basilidean and Simonian Gnostics) sound like plausible candidates for the so-called �Islamic Christians� and their history, though remote and somewhat obscure, is in fact taught in history books and schools, at least it is taught in some of them.

 

But still, I like to think of myself as a person of the book, even if I am not an Ebionite.  It seems somehow comforting.  It might also be kept in mind, at least in the Christians� minds, that �book� is not always meant to be taken literally.  Consider, for example, the �Lamb�s book of Life� referred to in the Revelation of St. John (21:27) as a case in point.  It would seem futile to go in search through history to locate this one, this �Lamb�s book of life.�

 

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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06655b.htm

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhar i/001.sbt.html#001.001.00 



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Good Morning & Welcome Serv

You are a man of the Books and certainly you are from the People of the Book!

Good Night

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Originally posted by Cyril Cyril wrote:


Muhammad77

Now the last question:
Why isn't the existence and disappearence of the Islamic Christians known and taught by history books and schools?

History contains so many things, from the start till this time, but do history books contain each and every minute event?  No.  So don't worry about whether they are mentioned or not in the history books. So many things have happened which are not there in the history books.

 



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