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   Assalam Aleikum Br.
I hope you will not mind if I comment, simply to allow for the other perspective to be shown. Thank you.

 bmzsp wrote:

fogtrick,
From you: "There is alot know about the early life of Muhammad, for example. He married a 9 year old call Aisha and had sex with her? Is this fact or fiction?"
First, he did not marry Aisha in his early life because she would not have been born and if she had, then she must have been cutting her teeth. 
Second, there is only one hadith from one person, I think it is Hisham, on this subject and that is also not reliable. Perhaps, you would like to think hard that Aisha narrated many ahaadith and there is not a single hadith quoted by her saying when was she married. Aisha, Prophet and her father and many Companions of the prophet would have known when and at what age did she get married and they did not talk about that. Nobody in that culture asked such silly questions.   

Actually brother, there were other narrators, reliable narrators, which places the hadith in the category og Sahih. 
Also, it was not a consensus that "Hisham" was completely unreliable.

Aisha was present at the Battle of Badr, helping people with water and tending to those injured. No person below fourteen was allowed by Prophet to take part in battles. Boys below 14 were sent home. Aisha was not married to him at that time. So, Prophet must have married her when she was 15-18. 

This is an explanation by Shaikh Gabriel Haddad:
First, the prohibition applied to combatants. It applied neither to non-combatant boys nor to non-combatant girls and women. Second, `A'isha did not participate in Badr at all but bade farewell to the combatants as they were leaving Madina, as narrated by Muslim in his Sahih. On the day of Uhud (year 3), Anas, at the time only twelve or thirteen years old, reports seeing an eleven-year old `A'isha and his mother Umm Sulaym having tied up their dresses and carrying water skins back and forth to the combatants, as narrated by al-Bukhari and Muslim. 
This is the link.
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00004861.aspx

The Arabs of the 7th Century were living in a modern time compared with the people who lived in the First Century.  They had morals, values, customs and culture. If you have any knowledge about the history and culture of Arabs and various tribes in the region, you will know that they were not giving away their daughters to men at the age of 3-12.  If you don't know ask the US Military in Iraq about the tribes and their culture. They would know. 
Kinder Regards,
BMZ

- Abu Tughlub ibn Hamdan married the daughter of `Izz al-Dawla Bakhtyar when she was three and paid a dowry of 100,000 dinars. This took place in Safar 360 H. (Ibn al-Athir, al-Kamil). 

- Al-Shafi`i in al-Umm reported that he saw countless examples of nine-year old pubescent girls in Yemen. Al-Bayhaqi also narrates it from him in the Sunan al-Kubra as does al-Dhahabi in the Siyar. 

- Al-Bayhaqi narrated with his chains in his Sunan al-Kubra no less than three examples of Muslim wives that gave birth at age nine or ten. 

- Hisham ibn `Urwa himself (whom the objector claims to know enough to forward the most barefaced judgments on his reliability) married Fatima bint al-Mundhir when she was nine years old (al-Muntazam and Tarikh Baghdad). 

- Our liege-lord `Umar married Umm Kulthum the daughter of `Ali and Fatima at a similar age per `Abd al-Razzaq, Ibn `Abd al-Barr and others. 

- And our Mother `Aisha herself was first almost betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut`im before her father dropped that option when he received word from the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless and greet him and be well-pleased with them.
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00004861.aspx
So there are many examples of the practice in semitic culture.
Take care Br.

Edited by Andalus