18th question about islam

 

Humans are supposed to be like this.

At the time of the early Caliphs poverty was all but wiped out so theft for food or dire need was unnecessary,  and during times of famine or hunger the punishment of amputation was often times suspended.

 

Ron, these punishments can only be carried out in a truly Islamic society. To try to incorporate them into Western society would be useless. Our societies have lost all sense of morality and what is or isn't lawful.

You see the criminal as being victimized by being punished for his crime without really seeing the harm he has done to his victim. Whether the amount is small or large, being robbed or burglarized leaves you feeling vulnerable and invaded. The person committing the act has no care for how you will feel, how hard you initially had to work to acquire that which is stolen, or what consequences the theft will have on your life. They are thinking merely of themselves at your expense. They have no mercy in the matter.

In our society they really have no fear in perpetrating the crime either because even if they are caught not much will happen to them in way of punishment. Who does that benefit? The person who is working hard to support himself and family and trying to live by the law or the person who doesn't care and commits theft?

 

It doesn't matter because we are living in a corrupt society and there is no true implementation of Shariah Law anyway.  But personally I believe the only persons who find the laws barbaric or fear them would be those who intend to break them. Otherwise what difference does it make? If no-one ever stole, no-one would ever have to be punished.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree to some extent, and I am not an enthusiastic supporter of capital punishment.  However, once again, you are attacking a straw man.  I am not denying that harsh punishments may sometimes be necessary -- an eye for an eye, a life for a life, capital punishment for capital crimes.  What I am saying (and maybe the fact that I have to keep repeating this is why Nausheen thinks I'm going in circles) is that harsh punishments should not be imposed for trivial crimes.  (And here we go again -- I can already anticipate people returning to Straw Man #2, replying to me that theft is not always trivial...)

 

Nausheen, I will try to reply more directly to you tomorrow, but it's time for .

 

There are no Islamic states in existence at this time. No government on the face of the earth at this point in time is an Islamic government.

 

As a cop you should know that our legal system does not work. One of the biggest criminals in the U.S. at this time is our president. We do not even have the gumption, for lack of a more colorful word, to impeach the man. But we impeached Bill Clinton for having oral sex... So apparently oral sex is a worse crime than lying, cheating, sending a million people to their death, etc.... If this is not skewered then what is? 

 

As a minority in this country and a cop I am amazed that you find our system of law so great. Most cops I know are thoroughly disgusted with our law system, the revolving doors, the light sentences, the technicalities.  Not to mention the fact that since 1989 DNA tests have exonerated 213 falsely accused prisoners, most of them black. That alone should tell you something is REALLY wrong with our judicial system. But the really sad thing is that most states are still resisting allowing DNA tests to be performed. What possible motivation could there be for refusing these tests that have already proven so many innocent? Frankly I find a system that could falsely imprison a man for 20 or 30 years then refuse to allow him the one test that could prove his innocence to be barbaric.

 

BTW: I speak out against what I find wrong in this country because it is my right as an American and if nobody speaks out then nothing will ever get better. I have always been very politically and socially active and if becoming Muslim has done anything to change this it has perhaps made me more mellow in my reactions.

If you have read any of my other posts I also speak out against things that are wrong in other countries and cultures, I am a multi-cultural/societal complainer. 

 

Ron,

 

Who decides which crime is trivial?  It wasn't very long ago that domestic violence and child abuse were considered trivial crimes in the U.S. and better left to the family to work out.

 

Perhaps you have never been a victim of crime, but I have had my home burglarized and I have been robbed at gun point twice. I did not find any of these incidents trivial and the fact that the first armed robber only got $18.00 does not make the fact that he held a gun on me and threatened to shoot me any more trivial. 

Perhaps to you $18.00 is not very much in the scheme of things, a trivial amount, but it was almost the cost of my life.

 

Do I think these criminals should have their hands amputated? Maybe. Maybe it would be less barbaric to have them stand in fear while some crazy person holds a gun to their head and screams at them to give them more than $18.00 or they will kill them. Then the crazy person can pull the trigger a couple of times on a few empty chambers to see how they will react. 

 

Suit your delicate sensibilities a little better?