1o1 Biblical Contradictions

   Yes, but it makes no mention that the third component, the Holy Spirit, is also a part of this "triple theophany". In fact, it is stated that the "Spirit" simply led Jesus into the desert to fast and be tempted by the Devil. Nor is it stated that "This is my beloved Son...worship Him as part of the 'triune Godhead'" or something to that effect."
   What do you think is being referred to in Matthew as : "...and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove..."?
   The term "Godhead" implies that there is more than one God, which is false.
   John 10:30 "I and My Father are one." John 10:37-38 "If I do not do the works of my Father, do not believe in Me. but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
   Really, this tit-for-tat back and forth trying to outdo the other's belief system is pointless in the end. Muslims will continue to believe that the Qur'an is the true word of God and that Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets and Christians will also continue to believe that Jesus Christ was no prophet but the literal Son of God who gave his life so that salvation would be available to all people, who do not deserve salvation based on their own works.
   Everyone has the freedom to follow and practice their own religion, or even lack of one, at least in the United States and the rest of the civilized world.

Hasan,

   I find your statements regarding Christianity as ill-informed and in great disrespect. You write that Christians "have nothing to sell more than the idea of a blood sacrifice of Christ."
   Well, in spite of your wife and your friends's ignorance about the Passion of Christ, He died in order to make salvation readily available to people who do not by themselves merit God's salvation. The other part they seem to misunderstand is that Jesus Christ was resurrected bodily three days after his death, unlike other "prophets" who are long dead and turned to dust.
   You even throw in the sexual abuse of children by some Catholic priests, like that represents Christianity? It represents Christianity just the same as suicide bombing terrorists and mass murderers of innocent people (like the 9/11 "martyrs", represent Islam).
   Much of the Qur'an is lifted directly from the Old Testament of Judaism and the New Testament of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is ridiculous, especially that "no Arabic translation of the Bible was available to Muhammad". Or maybe he was drawn to the monotheism that he encountered among the Jewish and Christian travelers and business people who visited Mecca and the Kaaba while his family, held rights to certain functions at the Kaaba such as providing drinking water. Muhammad disliked the pagan Arabian gods such as Hubal and the moon god, Sin, among many others. As a matter of fact, Islam's calendar is based on the moon and not the sun, a relic of pre-Islamic moon-worshipping times.
   I guess that's all the Muslims have to "sell" also? Such as the fable that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, when in reality it was constructed by the Nabateans.
   You state that "if we follow just what we hear people repeating around us does not mean that we are not to investigate and use our own mind before falling for it blindly..." I guess that's a pretty good representation of the views of many of the Muslims on this forum who parrot the same old misinformation concerning Christ and Christianity, as if they alone know the "truth" while "Christians" hang onto their "blood sacrifices", etc.
   Your distaste for and mocking of Christianity says a lot about you and your faith. Some Christians aren't alone in their hypocrises, they are well represented by some the followers of Islam as well. So much for the "Peoples of the Book" B.S. The misogynist views of women in the Qur'an are also bizarre. I don't think you will find the advice to "beat them" (women) if they don't do as they are expected, in the Bible. Instead Psalms declares that a good wife is more precious than rubies.
   So, we can go back and forth, treating each other as morons and infidels for not following the "correct" path. I guess that all depends on which path one finds oneself.
   As for me, the Messiah has already come and told us what we need to do to achieve salvation, simply by having faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Son of God, who will sit in judgment at the end of the world. I put my faith in a risen Lord and not in the recitals of a long dead and buried "prophet."
   Now you can see what it feels like to be mocked in your faith.


Edited by Larry - 23 June 2010 at 12:48am

Larry wrote:    This is what you call proof of your statements? Of course the Trinity is not mentioned in the New Testament, it is understood and described through the writings of the New Testament. In the many instances where Jesus Christ is named Son of God, the Holy Spirit is described and God the Father and Jesus Christ being one, as I quoted in my earlier reply.    If that's the best you can do to try and discredit the New Testament you have a long way to go. I am not a Muslim who has no trouble making the most tenuous and speculative "information" to "prove" that the New Testament is corrupted and that the Qur'an is the actual word of God.    The point that you keep missing through your lack of understanding of the New Testament of Jesus Christ is that there is only ONE GOD and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are all of one substance that is God.    You can argue these points all you want, it is not going to change my thinking or beliefs. You're two-dimensional thinking will not uncover the true essence of God because you have no understanding of His true nature.

 Dude, you need to relax.  First of all, the information I provided proves quite succinctly that the New Testament has corruptions.  What else should we call it when a scribe adds phrases and even whole paragraphs (such as in Mark 16) to the text centuries after the document was originally written?  Would that not be an example of corruption? 

Second of all, you don't have to be so defensive.  I can see that you are very passionate about your beliefs, and I respect that.  I know that I cannot change your mind.  You have to change it yourself.  I can only show you my perspective. 

Thirdly, regarding my "two-dimensional" way of thinking, let me say that this is the result of what I feel is the ineffective and inefficient explanation of the trinity given by individual Christians and the Bible.  I fail to see how all three components of the trinity are of "one substance", especially when they have different characteristics, and even limitations (as in the case of Jesus).  I understand that to you it somehow makes sense, but I think it is more the result of your faith, and not actual comprehension of the entire concept.  It would have made more sense to me as a non-Christian if the terms "father", "son" and "holy spirit" were not used, as they seem to denote a hierarchy of authority (God the Father sent God the son, which is actually Himself???").  I hope you can at least understand why non-Christians, especially Muslims and Jews, and even some Christians struggle with the idea.      

Assalamu alaikum.

With all respect Muhammad Rasulullah did not come to treat the People of the Book the manner and way his followers are doing today. Let us concentrate on what I found written in the Babylonian Talmud:

The religion of the Jews taught at the time of Christ was a distortion of the simple truths explained in the Law of Moses and the Prophets. It was the teachings of the RABBI''s. These learned men elaborated, expounded upon and ADDED to the commands of God, to such an extent the Mosiac Law which should have been a blessing became a crushing burden to the common people. See also Matt 15 : 3 - 9,   Matt 7 : 1 - 13 .

Friendship.