Forgiveness of Sin

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God forgives anyone who asks for forgiveness?  And, forgiven of your sin, are you pure in the sight of God?  I know the Qur'an talks about hell - God says to Iblis when he refuses to bow to Adam and says he'll bring all but a few Men under his sway, God says to Iblis then that Iblis and those who follow him, who are deceived, will be sent to hell - a "good recompense."  So, if you ask God to forgive you, truly repenting and turning from sin, devoting yourself to God in your heart, what then?  Are you sinless, and need not fear hell?  Obviously you will sin again, though in your heart you will to do God's will, and so though you sin again, are you still not going to hell?  Or would you need to ask forgiveness every time you sin?  How, exactly, does God judge for whom hell is a good recompense, and who should enter, what is it, the Garden?

I'm basically asking about sin and forgiveness.

I'm not well-versed in the Qur'an, so you might have to be elementary in some explanation in regards to things from that and interpretation or whatnot.

Thanks!

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Oijl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 18 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oijl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Forgiveness of Sin Posted: 19 April 2008 at 4:47am
	SOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......... God forgives anyone who asks for forgiveness? And, forgiven of your sin, are you pure in the sight of God? I know the Qur'an talks about hell - God says to Iblis when he refuses to bow to Adam and says he'll bring all but a few Men under his sway, God says to Iblis then that Iblis and those who follow him, who are deceived, will be sent to hell - a "good recompense." So, if you ask God to forgive you, truly repenting and turning from sin, devoting yourself to God in your heart, what then? Are you sinless, and need not fear hell? Obviously you will sin again, though in your heart you will to do God's will, and so though you sin again, are you still not going to hell? Or would you need to ask forgiveness every time you sin? How, exactly, does God judge for whom hell is a good recompense, and who should enter, what is it, the Garden? I'm basically asking about sin and forgiveness. I'm not well-versed in the Qur'an, so you might have to be elementary in some explanation in regards to things from that and interpretation or whatnot. Thanks!

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2008 at 2:18am
	Sooooooooo You need some explanation regarding sin and repentance in Islam Firstly we welcome you to our site and am very happy to see your post. It seems like you let out everything you had in your mind, regarding this topic You know oijil, Iblis did not repent and Adam did repent. That was the difference between good and evil. Let me explain you the concept of repentance in Islam. There are many verses and hadith { sayings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH}, over this subject Here's a hadith : Every human is liable to make to mistakes and the best among them is the one who repents. This hadith explains us that we do commit errors. No man is perfect. It is said, �to err is human and to forgive is divine.� As you said in your post we commit sin and them seek forgiveness by repenting . ANd every time we sin and realise our err, we are to repent. You know Oijl, one of the conditions of repentance is that we sincerly promise ourselves that we are n;t going to commit that sin. But when unintentionally we commit it, we can again seek forgiveness. When do it intentionally and repent, we are n;t granted forgiveness. The Qur�an teaches that Allah is a Judge and He also punishes, but Allah is not bound to punish. The justice of Allah, according to Qur�an is that Allah does not and will not inflict undue punishment on any person. He will not ignore the good of any person. But if He wishes to forgive any sinner, He has full freedom to do that. His mercy is unlimited and His love is infinite. This way Allah swt, keeps us forgiving. I remember a hadith in this context, pasting it below Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, stretches out His Hand during the night so that the people repent for the fault committed from dawn till dusk and He stretches out His Hand during the day so that the people may repent for the fault committed from dusk to dawn (He would accept repentance) before the sun rises in the west (before the Day of Resurrection).[Muslim] There are few attributes of Allah which explain us further. They are Al-Ghafoor: The most Forgiving Al-Tawwab: The Acceptor of repentance And read this hadith, which shall perhaps enlighten you Insha-Allah What is your opinion about the delight of a person whose camel loaded with the provisions of food and drink is lost and that moves about with its nose-string trailing upon the waterless desert in which there is neither food nor drink, and he wanders about in search of that until he is completely exhausted and then accidentally it happens to pass by the trunk of a tree and its nose-string gets entangled in that and he finds it entangled therein? We said (in response to the question of the Prophet): Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam) he would feel highly delighted.Thereupon Allah's Messenger (sallallaahualaihi wa sallam) said: By Allah, Allah is more delighted at the repentance of His servant than that person (as he finds his lost) camel.[Muslim] And those who do not repent , naturally they are to face there punishments and go thru hell. A believer, when commits sins and realises it, soon repents for it. No matter, how many times we do it. But again as said, it shud be unintentional. Hope your questions are answered, but again if anything os unclear, you can freely post them here. Edited by seekshidayath - 20 April 2008 at 2:19am
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2008 at 3:21am
	Also go thru this link. http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11749
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

Oijl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 18 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oijl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2008 at 6:44am
	Unintentional/intentional? How can a sin be unintentional? "Oops," like an accident? Or do you mean by intentional sin that you plan to sin with the idea beforehand to ask forgiveness of Allah? And reading from the link you provided, I read the verse 25:29. In context, to me, it seems to say that one who once followed the Message, who was once on the right Path, but strayed, is counted amongst those for whom the Day of Judgment is a woeful day, and so, are to be cast into the "blazing fire" of verse 11. Am I reading it wrong, or are those who truly fall from devotion to Allah sent to hell? I didn't understand, I don't think, your story about the man who was pious but strayed, and crashed and died. A while back, I was talking to a Muslim about this, and she said that only Allah knows whether a person will face punishment or reward after death. Can we not know, even for ourselves? And, does Allah allow sin in his presence? If he doesn't, and I live piously devoted to him, and repent when I sin, but sin and die suddenly before I am truly repentant in heart for that sin, may I be forgiven for it yet? What I'm asking is, does Allah forgive sin after our death?

Oijl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 18 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oijl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2008 at 6:45am
	Oh, and thanks for the thorough response.

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 April 2008 at 5:58am
	You are welcome always Oijil Unintentional/intentional? How can a sin be unintentional? "Oops," like an accident? Or do you mean by intentional sin that you plan to sin with the idea beforehand to ask forgiveness of Allah? Unintentional - We commit many sins unknowingly. Like we back-bite, we may hurt anyone and don't realise that we hurted them, likewise, when we observe ourselves, we do see that we do commit sins unknowingly . An other good example, is the link i provided. You thought it to be my story, but it was from a magazine - Young Muslim Digest. And i did not write up the source. It was unintentional that i did it. Intentional - What i meant by this is , we know that our words may hurt him, but still we say that. Similarly , we commit sins, with the thought that we shall seek forgiveness from Allah swt later. And reading from the link you provided, I read the verse 25:29. In context, to me, it seems to say that one who once followed the Message, who was once on the right Path, but strayed, is counted amongst those for whom the Day of Judgment is a woeful day, and so, are to be cast into the "blazing fire" of verse 11. Yes, because even after knowing the truth he moved off from the path. Those of whom he used to believe in shall leave him off, Satan shall desert him. Allah says , "your example, if you revert to disbelief after you believed, is that of a man who went with some people on a road, but he lost his way and the devils led him to wander in confusion over the land. Meanwhile, his companions on the road were calling him to come to them saying, `Come back to us, for we are on the path.' But, he refused to go back to them. This is the example of he who follows the devil after recognizing Muhammad , and Muhammad is the person who is calling the people to the path, and the path is Islam.'' Am I reading it wrong, or are those who truly fall from deviation to Allah sent to hell? Yes, because they rejected truth. I didn't understand, I don't think, your story about the man who was pious but strayed, and crashed and died. That story was about the importance of having friends who are commited to Islam . They shall be helpful to us even after our deaths. Allah swt knows the Best, as what happened to him in his grave. But the prayers of this friend must have benefited him. A while back, I was talking to a Muslim about this, and she said that only Allah knows whether a person will face punishment or reward after death. Can we not know, even for ourselves? Am not clear of this question. I shall insha-Allah answer you very soon. Can you make it clear again. Are you saying that if we know that our deeds are accepted or not, rewarded or not ? And, does Allah allow sin in his presence? Here are two verses with its commentary. Allah accepts only the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and foolishness and repent soon afterwards it is they to whom Allah will forgive and Allah is Ever All-Knower, All-Wise And of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil deeds until death faces one of them and he says: "Now I repent;'' nor of those who die while they are disbelievers. For them, We have prepared a painful torment Here is its explanation Allah states that He accepts repentance of the servant who commits an error in ignorance and then repents, even just before he sees the angel who captures the soul, before his soul reaches his throat. Mujahid and others said, "Every person who disobeys Allah by mistake, or intentionally is ignorant, until he refrains from the sin.'' Qatadah said that Abu Al-`Aliyah narrated that the Companions of the Messenger of Allah used to say, "Every sin that the servant commits, he commits out of ignorance.'' `Abdur-Razzaq narrated that, Ma`mar said that Qatadah said that, the Companions of the Messenger of Allah agreed that every sin that is committed by intention or otherwise, is committed in ignorance.'' Ibn Jurayj said, "Abdullah bin Kathir narrated to me that Mujahid said, `Every person who disobeys Allah (even willfully), is ignorant while committing the act of disobedience.''' ' Ibn `Abbas commented, "It is because of one's ignorance that he commits the error.'' `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said about the Ayah, (and repent soon (afterwards)), "Until just before he (or she) looks at the angel of death.'' Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar said that the Messenger said, Allah accepts the repentance of the servant as long as the soul does not reach the throat. Allah said,-"It is they to whom Allah will forgive and Allah is Ever All-Knower, All-Wise". Surely, when hope in continued living diminishes, the angel of death comes forth and the soul reaches the throat, approaches the chest and arrives at the state where it is being gradually pulled out, then there is no accepted repentance, nor a way out of that certain end. Hence Allah's statements, "And of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil deeds until death faces one of them and he says: "Now I repent,'' and The day that some of the signs of your Lord do come, no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before, nor earned good through his faith. 6:158. "Allah said, nor of those who die while they are disbelievers. Consequently, when the disbeliever dies while still a disbeliever and polytheist, his sorrow and repentance shall not avail him. If he were to ransom himself, even with the earth's fill of gold, it will not be accepted from him. I live piously devoted to him, and repent when I sin, but sin and die suddenly before I am truly repentant in heart for that sin, may I be forgiven for it yet? What I'm asking is, does Allah forgive sin after our death? Surely sister, as your intention was to repent, insha-Allah shall be forgien. Here i remember a story by Messenger of Allah in a hadith about the man who killed ninety-nine people. Later on, he regretted it and asked a worshipper among the Children of Israel whether he could repent. He told him no, so he killed him, thus completing one hundred. Then he asked one of their scholars whether he could repent. He said, "What is stopping you from repenting'' Then he told him to go to a town where Allah was worshipped. He set out for that town, but death came to him while he was on the road. The angels of mercy and the angels of punishment disputed over him, so Allah commanded them to measure the distance between the two towns; whichever he was closer to was the one to which he belonged. They found that he was closer to the town he was heading for, so the angels of mercy took him. It was said that when he was dying, he moved himself (towards that town), and Allah commanded the good town to move closer to him and the other town to move away. Allah;s mercy looks for oppurtunities to forgive us. And am sure since then we intended to repent, so shall we be forgiven.
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

reon1on5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 22 April 2008 Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote reon1on5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 April 2008 at 12:15pm
	Hello, The topic you ask is interesting, seeks hidayath (Allah bless him) as he always does gives excellent detailed answers in his soft style of writing. I am far less informed about the issue in the literal meaning but I want to share some of my ideas about the sin punishment formula which seems to confuse you. If I was not informed about a punsihment prepared for bad people I wouldnt be sure about the Justice of God. Because to me there are many people who steal, who kill, who behave superiorly to others and still live in comfort and wealth happily on earth without getting any punishment from the human laws. I hope you agree with me in that. If they wont be punsihed how can we talk about the Justice of Allah then? So as a believer this information about hell in a way comforts me. Suppose we say to Allah" what about those who give harm to others, who disobey your rules, who supress the poor, we are powerless against them and cant do anything?" Allah says "dont worry I will punish them myself" Then we believe in justice of the creator. If I was not informed about a punishment it would be quite easy for me to sin. Allah invites man to the right path says "if you do good, help others, work, and stay away from sin I will open you my garden and you will stay there forever without facing any type of difficulty" this invitation is a reward from God which attracts us to the right path. If it is not enough here comes another reward from Allah and that is a second force again in the same direction to the right path but this time pulls us away from the punishment. The frightening definiton of hell in Quran is actually a reward from Allah adding another force vector. Both to be pulled by the attractiveness of the garden and pushed by the fear of hell we are step by step invited to the right path the right way honest and clean way of living. Can we know that we will go to hell or heaven? If I knew I would go to hell since ı am a big big sinner then I wouldnt do anything good and I wouldnt turn my face to God to be forgived. I would be desperately alone in life even left by my creator the One who is actually closer to me than anyone else. How can this be? This doesnt cope with the hope and love phenomena lying in the base of Islam. If I knew I would go to heaven, everything would be meaningless to me and again I may have dared to leave the right path since I trust that my future is very comfortable in the garden. So why to try to do good things, and avoid evil things? These are all nonsense if I already guarentee the result. I remember a verse saying " did you thing that you will go to heaven without taking the exam on earth so that we can differentiate who is good and who is bad?" Certainly we are here in an exam and we have the power to choose good and evil. So it wont be easy. If we are to be sinless we wouldnt be free human being. I pray Allah to give me the power to differentiate between good and bad and to feel sorry when I did a bad thing. Maybe the biggest of the sins is losing hope in Allah. Allah forgives the ones who really want to be on the right path. Thank you very much for opening the subject. Simple basic thinking may sometimes provide more than you guess.