US helps the butcher Karimov, again

Assalamu alaikum,

How can anyone believe america stands for freedom and democracy when they help cover up the slaughter of, by some estimates, 750 unarmed protestors, simply because the dictator of that country lets them have an airbase there?

Akhi whoever believed that America ever stood for anything other than the Dollar?

Please take a one dollar bill and study it carefully. It says: "In God we Trust". Actually it was meant to be "In this God We Trust" but the typographer ran out of space on the designed dollar.

When you believe in market economy and just follow Anna Frued created consumerism you cease to be counted as humans.

Astrophysicist wrote:   Think we are so bad? What great good have your Muslim countries given the world lately? Seems to me all they export are poisonous oil fumes, terrorist murderers and suicides, threats, and insults.

Who own the most and biggest cars? Which country is the biggest gas-guzzler in the world?

And who do these Mulsim nations call on when they need medical aid, food, or military protection from Muslim monsters like Saddam?

You. And you supply weapons to Saddam in order to help him invade Iraq, if I remember correctly. That's why you invaded Iraq to find the WMD - you still have the receipts.

And we are always there for you. So, how about a little respect?

Only when it suits you. Yes, I believe the US started off being more magnanimous and actually _genuinely_ being generous and caring back in the old days (pre-1945, maybe), but something happened after that and I don't quite know what it was. 

US control of the world is becomming ever more insidious (Google "ugg boots australia US trademark", if you don't believe me) and it's damn scary and something needs to be done about it.

I, for one, am extremely angry Australia signed a free-trade agreement with the US - we will disappear soon, I'm sure.

I wish Australia could work out a way to not have loads of important dealings with both the USA and China. The world should be slapping sanctions on BOTH countries until they quit their lying propaganda and  take up Human Rights. 

Kim...

Or try: http://www.saveouraussieicon.com/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3495511.stm

But the joke's on you lot: http://www.defamer.com/topic/ugg-boots-the-sound-of-australi a-laughing-at-us-017994.php

kim! wrote: Astrophysicist wrote:   Think we are so bad? What great good have your Muslim countries given the world lately? Seems to me all they export are poisonous oil fumes, terrorist murderers and suicides, threats, and insults. Who own the most and biggest cars? Which country is the biggest gas-guzzler in the world?

I am with you on this one. In fact, I'd love to see the U.S. ends its use of petroleum altogether.

Funny thing, though -- I don't think that your typical terrorist type wants that. I remember one post on this site a few years ago in which a Jihadist was trying to spur his fellows on to trying to destroy the U.S. economy quickly, before we could develop alternative energy sources! See? At least some of them are just after the oil wealth! In fact, those who are are probably the ones with much of the means to put a lot of the lies and other propaganda out here in Muslim media and web sites like this to whip you up into a war-like frenzy. It's very sad, really.

kim! wrote: [Muslim nations call on] You [for medical aid, food, and military protection]. And you supply weapons to Saddam in order to help him invade Iraq, if I remember correctly. That's why you invaded Iraq to find the WMD - you still have the receipts.

I guess I present facts in vain about U.S. weapons sales to Saddam. It makes me feel that trying to discuss these matters with you is pointless.

Again, the U.S. weapons sales were miniscule. If you look at records, you will find mostly Soviet, French, and German weapons in his arsenal --  mostly Soviet.

Clever argument about the WMD: you make the absence of proof into proof itself. No doubt it is pointless to try to persuade you otherwise. It seems that you must ignore the much more realistic and undeniable humanitarian reasons I have stated elsewhere in other threads.

kim! wrote: [You are there] only when it suits you.

Again, we are but one country. But still we do a lot. You can make arguments any way you want whether something is in our interest or not and always find a way of explaining things to make us look good or bad. We give more food aid than anyone, more medical aid -- including the fight against AIDS in Africa aa and so on. We were the first on the scene in Indonesia with the most massive resources after the December '04 tsunami. (Our ten of billions of costs in naval fleet operations in this effort has never been used in determining our total relief effort there, which continues today.)

We can't do it all, especially when in places like Iraq, where intervention was clearly required to bring an end to the sanctions, we are getting stabbed inthe back by the collapsing French, Russian, and German governments, who saw ill-gotten monies from Iraqi oil and arms sales as ways of helping prop up their failing socialist policies.

kim! wrote: Yes, I believe the US started off being more magnanimous and actually _genuinely_ being generous and caring back in the old days (pre-1945, maybe), but something happened after that and I don't quite know what it was.

I do. Some people call it WWI and WWII, which is really just one war with a long intermission, followd by the spread of Communism in the wake of that war. My Albanian Muslim friends, for example, fled Albania when the Communists siezed power in '49 and started murdering those who didn't like having their property siezed. (I could share lots of horror stories about the Communists.) Anyway, after WWII, the U.S. decided it might be better to not wait until things spiraled out of control into a WWIII before taking action to counter developing problems.

kim! wrote: US control of the world is becomming ever more insidious (Google "ugg boots australia US trademark", if you don't believe me) and it's damn scary and something needs to be done about it.

I will check on the Ugg boots trademrk, as you suggest. (I've had several pairs, myself.) I do know that the Chinese have had no regard for our patents and trademarks. I don't know if this is somehow related to that.

kim! wrote: I, for one, am extremely angry Australia signed a free-trade agreement with the US - we will disappear soon, I'm sure.

No way. The Japanese failed, the Islamo-Fascists will fail, and the U.S. loves you the way you are.

kim! wrote: I wish Australia could work out a way to not have loads of important dealings with both the USA and China. The world should be slapping sanctions on BOTH countries until they quit their lying propaganda and  take up Human Rights.

Despite the propaganda to which you apparently have been exposed, the U.S. is the greatest champion of human rights ever. We even coined the phrase. The people you have to worry about are the Islamo-Fascist terrorists. Even aid workers get theri heads carved off by those animals.

Peace.

Astro