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Tariq
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1. POLYGAMY Answer: 1. Definition of Polygamy Now coming to the original question, why is a man allowed to have more than 2. The Qur�an is the only religious scripture in the world that says, Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had (*Interesting Note:- As per the 1975 census of India Hindus are more 4 Let us now analyse why Islam allows a man to have more than one wife. 3. Qur�an permits limited polygyny �Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that Before the Qur�an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says: �Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women....� Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the (i) �Fard� i.e. compulsory or obligatory
4. Average life span of females is more than that of males During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die 5. India has more male population than female due to female 6. World female population is more than male population 7. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or
8. Marring a married man preferable to becoming 'public property' Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to There are several other reasons, why Islam has permitted limited polygyny, but |
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believer
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GOD's first intentions: man didn't listen.
Genesis 2
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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honeto
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believer,
Tariq has touched on a subject that is very important when it comes to understanding Islam. It is used to scare people specially woman here in the west if they are getting close to a Muslim man in relationship. " be careful, he is Muslim, they have many wives".
Tariq has done a good job.
Anyway that quote of yours does not say anything about having one or more wives. I can tell you that it was "a nothing out of ordinary practice among the O/T prophets and their people" as I have found proof of such in my own study of the Bible.
I will give some quotes from the Bible that prove my claim. I find the followiing quote to be very convincing that having more than one wife was a very ordinary practice then, and I find no place where its forbidden or even restricted to a certain number. And remember these were God's guided prophets who are quoted here.
1) Exodus 21:1 "These are the laws you are to set before them:........
10 If he (a man) marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
That is exactly in line with the Islamic teachings.
And here are only some of the prophets and their many wives as recorded in the Bible. Remember that Christians honor them as well as name their kids after them (except those who were taken from the maidservant):
Genesis 35: 22.......Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: 23 the sons of Leah were Reuben, Jacob�s firstborn, and Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun; 24 the sons of Rachel were Joseph and Benjamin; 25 the sons of Bilhah, Rachel�s maidservant, were Dan and Naphtali; 26 and the sons of Zilpah, Leah�s maidservant, were Gad and Asher. These were the sons of Jacob who were born to him in Padan Aram.
So, Jacob here is recorded to have Leah, Rachel, Bilhah, Zilpah.
So believer if we count, that is four wives!!!!
In Genesis 36:
1 Now this is the genealogy of Esau, who is Edom. 2 Esau took his wives from the daughters of Canaan: Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite; Aholibamah the daughter of Anah, the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite; 3 and Basemath, Ishmael�s daughter, sister of Nebajoth. 4 Now Adah bore Eliphaz to Esau, and Basemath bore Reuel. 5 And Aholibamah bore Jeush, Jaalam, and Korah. These were the sons of Esau who were born to him in the land of Canaan.
I see three wives of Esau mentioned here. There are many many more examples, Abraham, David, Solomon and so on that did have many wives. And remember these were man of God, practiced what God approved and taught them to preach and practice.
Hasan Edited by honeto - 16 May 2008 at 6:55pm |
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Ron Webb
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honeto, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. Judaism did indeed permit polygamy thousands of years ago, but it no longer does; and mainstream Christianity never did. Every Jew and every Christian knows this, and so does just about everyone else. Do you really think you can convince anyone otherwise just by citing a few polygamous patriarchs?
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honeto
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Ron,
what I did is to show refrances from the source that is claimed to be 'devine source' of those two believes (Christianity and Judaism). And that source does not teach against polygamy.
If now those people have made new rules that is fine with me. I am not arguing that.
believer have suggested that it was not a practice approved of God. I am a man of reason and I do my own homework on what I post. And according to my own studies those who are mentioned in this book (the Bible) practiced it as a normal way of life. The were teachers and Prophets who are followed and refrenced on other issues yet on this one you say, "no longer does".
If it was not for the man made laws, for example here in the US against ploygamy, many Christians of various sects (Mormons in particular) as well as other would have practiced it without making a fuss, and they do not say what you say.
If you put your trust in that book for guiding you into this life and you trust it enough to put your hereafter at risk, why is it that when it comes to matters like this you distance yourself from its teaching. Don't you have full belief and trust on this book and its teachings and practices??
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Servetus
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Ron,
Could you please provide a source? I am interested. I would have thought that the reason we don�t see much Jewish polygamy is because the Torah is not (at least not yet) the law of the Land (of Serv Edited by Servetus - 17 May 2008 at 11:07am |
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believer
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I repeat: GOD's first intentions: man didn't listen.
Genesis 2
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
GOD did not will multiple wives but he did allow it. Big differance here.
1 Timothy 32Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 12A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
Titus 16An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. |
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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Ron Webb
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Well, I don't know much about Judaism myself, but you can find out just about anything you want from Google.
Polygamy was banned for Ashkenazi Jews in the eleventh century by Rabbi Gershom ben Judah. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbenu_Gershom) Technically his ban extended only to Ashkenazi Jews (currently about 80% of all Jews); but most other Jews abide by it as well. For all practical purposes, polygamy is no longer permissible in Judaism.
The thing you need to understand about Judaism and (especially) Christianity is that they are living, progessive religions. Although the basic values, traditions and framework of belief are defined by scripture, the specifics are continually re-appraised and adapted to different times and places. There are certainly "fundamentalists" who resist change and insist on a literal interpretation of ancient scripture (and who may still cling to polygamy), but they are small minority.
In Islam, on the other hand, it seems to me that the fundamentalist viewpoint is mainstream, and progressives are the minority. Muhammad was the last prophet, the "door to ijtahad" is closed, and every detail of life was frozen for all time back in the seventh century.
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