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    Posted: 08 August 2008 at 12:03pm

I am studying Islam and have learned a lot. I think it is beautiful and I want to convert. I know that I do NOT know everything or understand everything yet, but I am learning. I have some questions about the things I have learned though and I wonder if I can convert to Islam if I do not immediately believe everything I learn through Islam.
For example, I grew up in the US and learned about evolution in school. I know that Muslims do not believe in evolution. I am confused about this and really do not know what to believe right now on this point.
Also, I still have SO much to learn about Islam.
I think Islam is very beautiful and very significant for me but I worry that I will not be a good Muslim if I do not believe every point 100%.
Does this mean I should not convert?
Your advice is greatly appreciated. Peace be upon you.

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Hi Lizzil. In my opinion once  believe that Allah is God and the only one that should be worshipped and that Muhammad is His messenger then u should go ahead and convert. No one knows everything about Islam right away. I am a convert for 8 yrs now and I am still learning new things everyday and the more  I learn the more my faith grows.  When I accepted Islam I didnt believe everything 100% either. The only thing I was really sure of was that there was only ONE God. I had done comparative studies in religion and I found that Islam was the only religion that made sense so I accepted Islam. Day by day I am realizing the beauty of  Islam and that it is  the only true religion.
I dont think anyone can be a perfect Muslim all the time. The important thing is to keep learning about Islam and once u know something is wrong u strive to avoid it and u strive to keep doing the right.
I hope my reply can be of some help to u.
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I think that by starting to believe in Islam, one automatically enters its folds . .
Ofcourse you will not know/understand everything about Islam . . . not even a scholar is perfect! You can continue to learn about Islam everyday of your muslim life. All muslims do . . . nobody is ever a perfect Muslim.
 
Dont fret about 'not bieng a good muslim' . . . because to me, the mere fact that you are worrying about bieng a good muslim, and actually care about gaining knowledge of Islam, speaks volumes. That is the sign of a 'good muslim' :)
 
You can start practising Islam and experimenting . . . if you still have doubts, you can take your time until making things 'official' or public. Because at the infancy stage of bieng Muslim, I would think its natural to have doubts, need space. (I hope I dont get berated for saying that!) but until then, you can/are still a Muslim at heart. Also, feel free to talk to us, and question us. We are lucky on this forum to have quite a few very good people who are converts as well. They would love to help you out. All 'new' muslims need a support group - so we are here for you. I hope Shasta's Aunt, Hayfa and Salam's Wife reply with thier opinions/advise soon . . .they can probably help you out much better.
 
As for evolution - sis, in Islam it is not a requirement of 'faith' or 'belief' to shun evolution. There are a lot of controversies about it, not only religously, but scientifically as well . . . The only difference that Muslims have with Evolution is that humans did not 'evolve' out of apes or anytype of unicellular organism. We believe that God created Adam and Eve - and we decended or 'evolved' out of them. Perhaps other muslims with more knowledge of the issue can help you out there. But rest assured, that is a trivial matter, not significant enough to affect ones faith or Muslim-ness. And shouldnt stop one from accepting the truth.
 
In the meanwhile, do post any specific questions/issues you may have.
 
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 Good chance Lizzil for you. You have been granted some guidance. You should be thankful to God for that. If you are thankful then God will grant you more and more. Please remember that believing is the first step. That is deciding about the truth of Islam. When we accept the truth then we become Momineen (Believers). Our goal is to be Muslims (submitters to the Will of God).
 
 But belief is very important first step and time should not be wasted for that. Do not worry about evolution. God will not ask you any question about evolution in the next life. Please remember that there is more about evolution in the Quran than it is in any other religion. You will learn all things gradually.
 
 First: WE have to decide that there is no God except One i.e. Allah and that Muhammad is a messenger of Allah.
 
 We have to believe in all angels of Allah.
 We have to believe in all the revealed books of Allah.
 We have to believe in all the messengers of Allah.
 We have to believe that part of the matters are decided in Heavens by Allah.
 
 After having believed the above, we should not let any doubt come in our head about it.  There are other duties to be performed as and when possible. WE need not declare our new faith immediately to any one if we do not like. The study of the Quran is a must to understand Islam and it becomes necessary for us to keep on meeting the other muslims.
 
 I am sorry to say that even in todays advanced world, one has to hide his/her faith from other people because of some kind of fear of repurcussions. Islam tells us that there is no compulsion in religion. But there are muslims who would kill any one who would change his religion from Islam to some other faith.
 
 You can understand that we have to be careful. All is not well with Muslims in todays world. There are many mistakes too in their deeds. But that is not any fault of Islam.
 
 So please go ahead and ask questions. We believe in origin of species and survival of the fittest. But we do not believe in the natural selection. So Muslims believe 2/3 of the theory of evolution.  Happy reading!!!
 
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Hi Lizzil,
 
Welcome to the Forum, full of good people who are never dull and boring. Smile
 

And I COMPLETELY underderstand what you are saying� and the point you are at. I a remember those days before I did my Shahada.. and even for a couple of years after� can I  du this right if I don�t �agree� or �understand� all of the aspects of Islam. Some things were confusing... people and their actions are confusing.. it can be hard to distinguish.  It took me about four years to  reach a certain level of understanding.. not only of certain aspects but the mindset as well. It had taken ne three years to tell family and friends. Less for fear of negative reaction as much as I am a very private person.

 

Many people raised in Islam can explain the basics, give you a Quran etc. But often there are many aspects in which they are not qualified to explain. Neither am I. And to internalize Islam takes time. Years I think. As mentioned doing the Shahada is about the basic beliefs that Minuteman wrote about. It is the central tenant of Islam.

 

Some stuff I don�t completely understand but so be it.. its funny.. we all have things we focus on. They have books and books on the Quran and Hadiths� it is lifetime of learning. And unless we have days and days free we can only learn so much at one time.

 

My explanation for the Shahada is this� I take karate.. and doing the Shahada is sigining up for classes.. you are not expected to be a black belt is skill (prayer performance, etc), knowledge (wisdom and inner connection, purity of the heart). This takes years of study and understanding. You progress at the level of your energy, abilities, etc. And once you get a black belt (decent level of understanding and practice of Islam) there is a lifetime of learning and growing. So you sign up and you begin. There is no prescribed time line and outward measure. The measure is in your actions and what is in your heart.

 

Islam is about your relationship to Allah- Your Creator, to whom you will return to one day. How can you make that the central focus of your life? The Prophet Mohammed (SAAW) is our model.  

 

Another aspect to remember is that many people are not understanding of your position. WE are all shaped by our culture.. the good and not so good. Often this is a mindset. And t he best people to be around are people who are able to be encouraging but not pushy and those who have the ability to put themselves in your shoes as you struggle. For all people struggle on one level or another.. but to have helpful and thoughtful advice, it take people who can empathize, and this is not all reverts to say the least.  Some are quite rigid�. It is person to person.

 

Along in my journey of the past several years there were things I would read or hear about and they would cause me internal �angst,� things that made me uncomfortable or uncertain. The �reasoning� seemed quite foreign to me. It would take long conversations with knowledgeable people for me to understand the in and outs and the �whys.� Yes it is different then how I was raised. Not just in a western sense but by my particular family.  I had to work to see the value and good. And this would be hard as because rather than use the Prophet (SAAWS) as the model, one looks at people who abuse a particular notion or system. But that reflects upon them as people.

 

An excellent place to gain knowledge is through Zaytuna Institute. They put out excellent publications and have on-line classes. What I really like about them is that they talk and understand western people. Sheik Hamza Yusuf is a revert scholar who is education in Middle East and Africa.    An excellent publication  and CD is called Purification of the Heart.  http://www.zaytuna.org/

 

Where do you live? How did you come to learn about Islam?

 

Ok enough by me..

Hayfa

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I live in New York, but I am moving to Marrakech, Morocco in a few weeks to teach.  My ex-boyfriend is from there and I have been there many times.  I knew of Islam before, of course, but this is the first Islamic country I visited.
 
My ex told me things about Islam but it was very hard to learn from him because he did not follow any of the tenents of Islam except to fast during Ramadaan.  He also drank and smoked and had an illicit relationship with me.
 
We were supposed to get married and when we dicussed children he talked about raising them Muslim.  I started studying to understand the religion more so that I would feel secure to raise my children that way.
 
We have since broken up but I am continuing to learn.  I very much like the calmness and peace of Islam and find it to be very caring.  The more I learn the more interested I become. 
 
I am still at the begining of my journey I think, but I like the path that is being revealed to me.
 
Thank you again for all the information.  Your kindness is greatly appreciated.
Peace be upon you.
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I"ve always wanted to visit Morocco! Have almost gone once or twice.
 
Are you going to teach English? What have you most liked about Morocco?
 
I have been to Pakistan twice. Taught English in a village school there.. was quite a culture shock to say the least.
 
You know when I arrived at this certain "place" I am at now.. being in Islam was like floating in a warm ocean...so peaceful and loving..  
 
 
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Originally posted by Lizzil Lizzil wrote:

 
 
We were supposed to get married and when we dicussed children he talked about raising them Muslim.  I started studying to understand the religion more so that I would feel secure to raise my children that way.
 
We have since broken up but I am continuing to learn.  I very much like the calmness and peace of Islam and find it to be very caring.  The more I learn the more interested I become. 
 
I am still at the begining of my journey I think, but I like the path that is being revealed to me.
 
Thank you again for all the information.  Your kindness is greatly appreciated.
Peace be upon you.
*Liz
 
It is very important that you take this decision based solely on you own wishes and inclinations . . . not after influence by external (personal) factors . . . 'cz if its not because of the right reasons, your heart will not be 100% into Islam, and that will make you confused/unhappy. Just saying.
 
Is there anything else you wish to know about Islam? (what else do you find 'hard' to believe in?)
 
Apart from that, just a word of caution. Do not judge Islam/Muslims from what you see. Morrocco is a place where culture/traditions remain strong, so do not think that everything you see or hear is neccessarily Islamic.
 
And you're right about Islam bieng very calm, peaceful and caring. One can better appreciate that by bieng a woman, Islam is particularly generous/caring towards women. (I was about to say the 'wiser sex' rather than the 'weaker sex' heh heh) Its good to know there is Someone out there to take care of things that we tend to stress ourselves about, and be a 24hr support-line.
 
If I may ask, what religion (if any) did you belong to before this? Perhaps this may better help us clarify your questions.
 
Best of wishes and prayers.
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