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    Posted: 27 June 2005 at 4:08pm

The great scholar of islam,Shaykhul-islaam,Ibn Taymiyyah(d.728h)states,There is no criticism for the one who proclaims the way of the Salaf,whoattaches and ascribes himself to it .Rather ,it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement because the way of the salaf is nothing but the truth.(ref.majmoo ul-fataawaa(4/149)
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bismillah

It is not obligatory to say "i am a salafi'.
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assalamu alaikum you said its not obligatory but you never clearified your reason.farther more shayk albanee(d.1420h) said However ,there are some who claim knowledge who deny this ascription,claiming that it has no foundation,saying,It is not permissibe for a muslim  to say :I am Salafee.And it is as if he is saying, It is not permissible for me to say,I am following the salafus-saalih in what they were upon in creed,worship and manners!''And there is no doubt that the likes of this denial -if that is what is meant -implies that he is disassociating himself from the correct Islaam that the salafus-saalih were upon.Thus it is not permissible for a Muslim to disassociate himself from being ascribed to the salafus-saalih .If,however,he freed himself from any other ascription,then none of the people of knowledge could accuse him of disblief or sinfulness.

However,the one who refuses to call him self salafee,then it should be looked at, does he attribute himself to a particular madhhab (methodology) wheather in matters of creed or jurisprudence.So perhaps he will call himself an Ash'aree or a Maatareedi,or he may be from Ahlul-Hadeeth,or a Hanafee,Maalikee,Shaafi'ee or Hambalee-from those matters which enter into the term Ahlus-Sunnah wal-jamaa'h . Despite that fact that the one who ascribes himself to the Ash'aree madhhab (methodology), or the four well-known madhaahib(methodologies), then he has ascribed himself to those who are not protected from making mistakes as indiviuals-even though there are from amongst them scholars that attain what is correct. So why do they not rejectthe likes of these ascriptions to individuals who are not protected from mistakes ? However, as for the one who ascribes himself to the Salafus-Saalih collectively -then he ascribe himself to that which is protected from mistakes. (ref.al-Asaalah Magazine(9/87)     inshallah brother this may give you some light and understanding jazakallahu khaira assalamualaikum wa rahmaantullahi wa barakatuhu...         ;           ;           ;           ;           ;  

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Wa'alaikumu Salaam Abu Abdullah.

Then i would replace my emphasis.

It is not obligatory to say "i am salafi".

Unless you can provide evidence that Muhammad (peace be upon him) has instructed one to say so and made it obligatory. 

I am Muslim, Alhamdulillah. And that's enough for the beginning, insha Allah.

Jazzak Allahu Khair.

Wassalam.
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assalamualaikum ,all praise is due to allah and may the peace and prayers be upon him and all who follow him in good.the wording salaf way said in the time of the prophet peace and blessing be upon him when his son was dying the prophet peace and blessings be upon him said catch up with your salaf.To understand the term correctly,one must refer to the language from where it originates.For certainly it has its orgin in the Arabic language,and in Islamic terminology.As for the Arabic language ,it derives from the Arabic verb :SA LA FA,which means:a thing that has proceeded, or passed away ,or everything thathas preceded a man from his ancestors and forefathers. And in the islaamic terminology :it refers,specifically,to the companions of the Messenger of Allah peace and blessings be upon him and the two generations that followed them, known as the Taabi'een (the followers of the companions),and the Atbaa'ut-Taabi'een(the followers of of the followers of the companions.) A proof of the virtue of these three generations is found in the authentic saying of the prophet ,''The best of mankind is my generation,and the generation that follows it, and the generation that followas it.Then there shall come a people who will swear and they were not ask to(Related by al-bukhaaree(5/190)muslim(no.2530),at-Tirmidhee(no.2222)Aboo Daawood(no.4657,and an-Nisaa'ee(7/17-18) jazakallahu khaira assalamualaikum...  

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Bismillah

Wa'alaikumu Salaam Abu Abdullah.

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.

"Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (Quran 2:128)

We are Muslims and there should not be any necessity to put stress on arabic terms like salaf, sunnah, qur'aan, sahabaa to create a distinctive verbal identity. We are all seeking the Right Path, but we do not call ourselves "ahl-ul-sirat-al-mustaqeem",    

Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). (Quran 3:64

Many outstanding scholars have used the term Salaf to describe the path of the early Companions (peace be upon them all), but none of them has stated that it is obligatory or waajibb for you to call yourself a Salaf.

And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! (Quran 22:78)

Dear Brother Abu Abdullah, you are not wrong. You may call it salaf, you may call it sunnah, you may call it haqq and in all cases you might be right. You may call them Muslims, you may call them Ummah, you may call them mujahideen and you will also be right, but the correction is on the obligatory use of the term Salaf to describe oneself.

Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity. (Quran 3:104)

And Allah knoweth best.

 

  



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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

Wa'alaikumu Salaam Abu Abdullah.

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.

"Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (Quran 2:128)

We are Muslims and there should not be any necessity to put stress on arabic terms like salaf, sunnah, qur'aan, sahabaa to create a distinctive verbal identity. We are all seeking the Right Path, but we do not call ourselves "ahl-ul-sirat-al-mustaqeem",    

Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). (Quran 3:64

Many outstanding scholars have used the term Salaf to describe the path of the early Companions (peace be upon them all), but none of them has stated that it is obligatory or waajibb for you to call yourself a Salaf.

And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! (Quran 22:78)

Dear Brother Abu Abdullah, you are not wrong. You may call it salaf, you may call it sunnah, you may call it haqq and in all cases you might be right. You may call them Muslims, you may call them Ummah, you may call them mujahideen and you will also be right, but the correction is on the obligatory use of the term Salaf to describe oneself.

Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: They are the ones to attain felicity. (Quran 3:104)

And Allah knoweth best.

Maa shaa Allah. Great post, brother.

Those who divide Muslims into groups by finding different names for them are certainly in the wrong. May Allah guide them.



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