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    Posted: 10 September 2008 at 3:46pm
Assalam Alykum,
we know that fasting and salath is obligatory for every adult in Islam, except for some exceptions during travel and sickness, and in case of woman during period and nursing a baby.
But technicaly at what age a person is obligated to fast, and pray the five daily Salath.
I would like to know from our learned brothers and sisters in the light of Quran and Sunnah regarding this.
Also if a person misses a fast for the reason of health or travel, what is the prescribed alternate compensation they must offer.
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 10 September 2008 at 3:50pm
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As'Salamu Alaikum

Its my pleasure to attempt answering your question , honeto.

But technicaly at what age a person is obligated to fast, and pray the five daily Salath.

This was tough for me to cite an hadith. What we generally know, is that there is no exact age to start up fastings or salah. Even as a child they can start up. If we look back at pages of seerah, we get to read that at early days of Islam,  Ali RA, would offer salah along with Prophet {sallal lahu alayhi wa sallam} and Khadija RA. Like wise we do read that Prophet {sallal lahu alaihi wasallam} would take  Anas RA, along with him to offer prayers. This shows that a child need to wait for a certain age to start up. It was reported that �Umar said: �Children�s good deeds will be recorded and their bad deeds will not be recorded.� 

Here's an other hadith from Muslim

Narrated by  Ibn �Abbaas {RA), who said: �A woman lifted up a child and said, �O Messenger of Allah, will his Hajj be counted?� He said, �Yes, and you will be rewarded.��

Scholars interpret this hadith and conclude that good deeds of a child are recorded and the bad deeds are n't accounted. Elders who help him to perform that deed are also rewarded. There is an other hadith whose reference am searching for and even you must have heard it that from seven years  wherein a child reaches an age of understanding, he shud be instructed strictly to pray, so that when he reaches his age of puberty, he shall be by then habituated to offer salah / fast.

Also if a person misses a fast for the reason of health or travel, what is the prescribed alternate compensation they must offer.


"The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan, i.e., is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasting) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number ?of days which one did not observe Sawm (fasting) must be made up? from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allah ?i.e., to say Takbir (Allahu Akbar: Allah is the Most Great)? for having guided you so that you may be grateful "

2 :185

This ayah shall give you , your answer. One who misses his fast because of  beng sick or travelling shud make it up in other days. Compensation or expiation is for those who are ill / sick and cannot make up there fast even in other days. Elderly people do fall into this category too. Read this following  ayah and hadith :

�And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskeen (poor person) (for every day)� : {al-Baqarah 2:184}

The report narrated by Abu Dawood (2318) from Ibn �Abbaas concerning the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

[Ibn �Abbaas] said: This was a concession granted to old men and women who are able to fast but with difficulty, they have the option of not fasting and feeding one poor person for each day instead.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Just wanted to add on,

There is no minium age for praying, children should be encouraged to pray as soon as possible, (encouraged, not forced. . . dont force them away) However according to Sahih Hadith (which I shall try to find and quote later) children should be strongly encouraged to pray by the age of 6, because by 6, children are old enough to know surahs etc and pray, and its a good time to start the habit. However, it is not fardh (compulsory) i.e. not doing so, is not a sin.
 
Ibaadat (such as fasting, salaat) becomes compulsory/fardh at the onset of Puberty for both boys and girls, i.e. not fasting/praying after puberty is a sin. . . and this is the time when thier sins are counted, and they are held accountable for thier deeds by Allah SWT. There is no standard age, thus, since Puberty is attained at different ages, usually in the range b/w ages 9-13 (just a rough idea) , so depends frm person to person.


Edited by Chrysalis - 11 September 2008 at 2:02pm
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Asalam Alykim,
thanks for clearing things in the light of Quran and Hadith.
May Allah guide us all and help us to raise our children the right way.
Ameen,
Hasan
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