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    Posted: 11 September 2008 at 9:27pm
Dear All,

I am in process to study Islam very seriously.
Right now I am studying the 40 Hadiths.
I come to read about the Hadith no 14.

Basically this Hadith says:
- If a person is Muslim and then leaves Islam out of his own conscience for other spiritual path is considered treason and harmful to Uma and society. Based on this kind of thinking that person is punishable by death.

In my view, this is very harming to Islam and is not respecting a basic tenet of Islam which says that the religion is NOT COMPULSORY.
As long that the person which leaves Islam remains a perfectly good person, helpful and caring to others why this person should be condemned and killed for his own conviction to leave Islam for another spiritual path?

Could you elaborate on this subject?

Thanks,
Alex

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How do women feel about this 'hadith' if it be true ?
 
"Narrated �Imran bin Husain :
 
The Prophet said, �I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women.�" Bukhari vol.4:464 p.305.
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Silver Arrow. Assalamu alaika.
 
You will not be killed since you were not born in Islam. Ideally, you should be taken your khalifa to discuss with you what you did not understand and give you ample time till you understand it. The holy Prophet gave one of his uncles/nephew six month to think about Islam, when Umar wanted to behead him. My advise to you is always read explanations and not the mere plain translation of a hadith. You will be mislead. I hope you are learning Arabic. 
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Assalamu alaikum.
This is a very interesting hadith. Briefly those believers with sincere intention, but could not find the ideal environment to practice Islam. Poor does not mean lack of money. No! A lot of people are deceived through misinterpretation of the Sunna. The importance of learning Arabic language is not emphasized for the Muslims. We must learn Arabic to understand Islam since we do not have a central authority and command. Look at what is going on in Saudi Arabia where they obsere the standing at Arafat not on the 9th day! The imams read long Sermon on Fridays and observe the Salat late afternoon. None of the Kings lead the prayer!  
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Originally posted by Gulliver Gulliver wrote:

How do women feel about this 'hadith' if it be true ?
 
"Narrated �Imran bin Husain :
 
The Prophet said, �I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women.�" Bukhari vol.4:464 p.305.
 
In one hadith I can recall of memory, roughly it says:
 
Most of the women who go to hell are because this - he pointed his finger to his tongue. And most men who go to hell are because this - and he pointed his finger to his private part.
 
If I am not mistaken the Bukharis and the Muslims combined are 8000 hadiths, or more. You have quoted one hadith above.
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Assalamu alaikum.

That was the literal interpretation. I think it refers to the temperament of women and their responsibility of looking after the children, looking after the trust of the husband. You see women in Islam have alot of responsibility. As for man, I think it refers to the anatomical position of his private part that can be easily stimulated. I think the population of women exceeds that of man. I do not think that there are females who are yet to believe in the teachings of Muhammad.
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Gulliver was answered that in an other thread, perhaps. I see him inactive now-a-days, Else he was very regular. May Allah swt ease his days.
 
We shall discuss this hadith again as it may help many of our readers to get any misconception cleared.  We generally see that this hadith is picked up and Islam is potrayed as, women are destined to hell etc. There are many hadiths which discuss positively of women and upgrade her with honour. Infact Allah swt, revealed one verses {ayaat}in her favour when a wife complained of her husband. The first three positions are entitled to a mother and fourth is a father. This hadith which says that women shud be more in numbers, does n't give a clean chit to men. And secondly, we need to note that they are n't destined to hell, since the Prophet said. No ! not at all. Apart from other important reasons of her weaknesses,when we logically, view it, the stats show that the number of women are always greater than men. Look at any generations,census. they are large in numbers. So the ratio may get increased in hell as well.


Edited by seekshidayath - 14 December 2008 at 6:42am
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Originally posted by SilverArrow SilverArrow wrote:

Dear All,

I am in process to study Islam very seriously.
Right now I am studying the 40 Hadiths.
I come to read about the Hadith no 14.

Basically this Hadith says:
- If a person is Muslim and then leaves Islam out of his own conscience for other spiritual path is considered treason and harmful to Uma and society. Based on this kind of thinking that person is punishable by death.

In my view, this is very harming to Islam and is not respecting a basic tenet of Islam which says that the religion is NOT COMPULSORY.
As long that the person which leaves Islam remains a perfectly good person, helpful and caring to others why this person should be condemned and killed for his own conviction to leave Islam for another spiritual path?

Could you elaborate on this subject?

Thanks,
Alex

 
Hello Alex,
Yes, we see you studying Islam sincerly. May Allah swt guide you towards right path. This question is also very intresting.
 
Here;s that ayah, which says - "There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path."
 
Actually Alex, we are taught not to compel anyone into Islam. Only when they gets contended that its the true path, he can then embrace it by the grace of Allah. So you see that he's is n't  forced at all. When he's able to distinguish betweeen right and a wrong path,  he enters into the folds of Islam. He's given full freedom. But after embracing Islam, and knowing that its the only true path, when he leaves it, then he's to be executed. He is called apostate. We had discussions as why an apostate is to be killed. But remember, he's executed only when he is an islamic state. He's a threat to the society, as even after knowing the true path, he returns from it.He may be the cause of great fitnahs There is a hadith and its gyst is a believer in Islam, hates to return to kufr even if he had little spark of faith {belief}. He leaves islam when he has no faith. So he is to be executed. But remember, this can happen only in an islamic state.
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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