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Akhe Abdullah
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As Salaamu Alaikum Brothers and Sisters and other Members of this Forum.I just want to clarify my use of the word Kufr.It is indeed an insult. When I use it to decribe the unbelievers I mean those who Disbelief,to cover up the truth to reject Allah and refuse to believe that Muhammad(PBUH) is His Messenger.Now it is coming close to acting in bad character just as Kufrs act I guess so, if you chose to see it that way.I apoligise if I have hurt anyones feelings.Example im am a son of a Kufr as a matter of fact all my relatives would be lable as such.Not right!even though it is true by defenition.I can only make Dua for her and for them.I dont say Salams Kufr Mom ect so I try not to use the word directly at someone.(Inshallah) Wa Alaikum As Salam Wa Ramatullah
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TRANSKRAFT
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Kuffar and Kaafir: Should we be using these terms&? By Naseema Mall There is a tendency among many Muslims to simply refer to any non-Muslim as a kafir. Unfortunately, some Muslims even refer to other Muslims as kafir. I�ve always been perturbed by the flagrant use of this term, as it seems so harsh, and have often wondered if it is justified or beneficial in any way to use it with reference to all non-Muslims. Tawheed Islam was established with the creation of the first man, Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). His main task, and the task of the all of the Prophets and Messengers that followed, was to firmly instill in the minds and the hearts of the people the concept of tawheed, that Allah, the Almighty is one and only one, and that He alone has power over all things and He only deserves to be worshipped. When we talk about worshipping Allah alone, there seems to be much misunderstanding. Worship is not only about the rituals of salaah, fasting, zakaah and hajj. Worshipping Allah is holistic and inclusive, meaning that every aspect of our lives and our actions are to please Allah. You cannot for instance perform your salaah regularly, but then oppress your servant or your employee; you cannot be paying zakaah, and then defraud people in your business dealings. Simply announcing our belief is not sufficient; we have to live the spirit of Islam as well. Every Prophet conveyed the message of tawheed to his people, and warned that the denial of the oneness of Allah would lead to dire consequences. Some heeded the call and others did not. Islam teaches us that for all our actions, good and bad, there are consequences. We may meet those consequences in this life or in the hereafter. This is something that a Muslim must contemplate seriously. How conscious are we really of our daily actions? How sure are we that even though we are Muslim our actions could actually constitute kufr? No one should ever feel self righteous. No one has a one way ticket to Paradise. Kufr It is difficult for Muslims to believe that a Muslim can actually indulge in kufr. How is this possible? One may wonder. According to Imam Nawawi kufr �occurs sometimes by a statement which constitutes kufr and sometimes by an act. And the actions which necessitate kufr (that expel from the religion) are those which are performed deliberately (The Book of Apostasy). Some of the acts that could render a Muslim a disbeliever are (and these are conditioned on the person being aware of the reality of their action): 1. To call on saints or Prophets for help or to act as intercessors. [And invoke not besides All�h, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the Z�lim�n (polytheists and wrong-doers)] [10:106] Referring to any authority other than Islam for judgment or being dissatisfied with the decision of Islam. [But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.] [4:65] Slaughtering in the name of a Prophet or a pious man (saint). [Therefore turn in prayer to your Lord and sacrifice (to Him only).] [108:2] Circumambulation of graves as an act of worship. It is to be performed for Allah alone in the Holy Ka'bah. [Then let them complete the prescribed duties (Man�sik of Hajj) for them, and perform their vows, and circumambulate the Ancient House (the Ka'bah at Makkah).] [22:29] Depending on or putting trust in other than Allah. How many of us do this at times? [And M�sa (Moses) said: "O my people! If you have believed in All�h, then put your trust in Him if you are Muslims (those who submit to All�h's Will).] [10:84] 1. Someone lives in a place where there is no scholar who can establish the evidence, remove misconceptions and offer guidance. Courtesy of:
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Hayfa
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Akhe Abdullah, I guess my question for you is why worry about the label? I guess I am perpelexed by what difference does it make? Our goal should be to demonstrate the true qualities of what a Muslim should be. We should emulate the Prophet to the best of our abilities. Its like focusing on this point does exactly what? What may I ask... and assuming you are a revert.. coulnt your blessings. Focus on being humble and grateful. And I don't know what your mother believes or does not believe. The point is she is still your mother and your obligation is to show her kindness, respect and the mercy you would give to any human being up to the moment they die. YOU will be judged on how you treat her. Period. Whether she is nonMuslim or is a Muslim. and in fact, I would argue that if you treat her poorly and give HER a bad impression of what a true, devout Muslim should be then you could be held accountable for that. No matter the human being we are interacting with, we will be held accountable for our deeds.
And in fact those of us her were not Muslim at one point, most of us encountered very kind Muslims. It had a powerful influence as role models that embodies the spirit and values of Islam. I even took a trip to Pakistan by myself because the people were so kind and helpful.
Imagine if YOUR good deeds influence a nonMuslim to look at Islam. What rewards will be given to you!
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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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hat2010
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I suppose this conversation has to keep coming up, if only to definitely have arrived at some clear end to it - however, this subject has been "Kaffed" up over and over from time to time, eventually inviting it's own shutting down.
One - Duende, Serv, Danny, others: I am in awe of you all and am proud to share this little corner of cyberspace with you. I want to be on record of being disgusted with anything that suggests antipathy towards non-muslims. Two: Since this is a somewhat free zone for ideas, I'd like to say that brothers and sisters like Akhe Abdullah, JihadX and many before should be kept in perspective and clearly understood as.... a) Not any kind of religious authority b) Not representative of anyone but themselves c) Not holding opinions that are universally agreed upon within the Umma, Madhabs, etc. Three: For the Trolls: Your best arguments are easily found in the half-educated, intolerant members of our communities - but you are only fooling yourselves if you decide they speak for Muslims everywhere. Lastly: Considering so many non-muslims here (and elsewhere) devotion the downtrodden, the widowed, the poor - all of whom to whose caring for are what the Prophet endlessly spoke of as the real way out of the Dunya and Hellfire - I find these Kafir conversations tasteless, offensive, blinding. |
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seekshidayath
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Wa'laikum salam wa Rahmatullah,
Where have been akhe since few days ?
Anyways, yes i do agree that to call a person directly as "O, Kafir, {disbeliever}" is wrong. For only Allah swt knows ones state of heart. But remember, Allah swt, did address the disbelievers, as " Ya ayyuhal kafiroon - O you who disbelieve". Just as believers are addressed, "O you who believe ". We also get to learn from Qur'an, Allah addressing the whole humanity. Likewise, even hypocrites are being addressed. This way, different characteristics of them are defined, so that we identify ourselves and correct ourselves before we meet Him. Even we muslims need to check ourselves, if we commit acts of kufr.
If you find any person, addressing anyone particularly, as "kafir", ask him to prove you that its permissible in Islam. He shall neither be able to show you a single verse or a hadith, neither a fatwa {ruling} of any scholar. I wish you to handle him softly, so that he changes his attitude. After all he is your brother in Islam. If he still does n't listen to you, just be quiet, because, you finished your job for him and Allah swt shall not question you,
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Honzo
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w/salam brother, The word �kafir� (and variations of it) is mentioned in the Qur�an in five different senses: 1. Kufr al-tawheed: to reject the belief in the Oneness of God. The Qur�an says what means: 2. Kufr al-ni`mah: to lack gratefulness to God or to people. The Qur�an says what means:
3. Kufr at-tabarri: to disown/clear oneself from. The Qur�an says what means: 4. Kufr al-juhud: to deny. The Qur�an says what means: 5. Kufr at-taghtiyah: to hide/bury something, like planting a seed in the ground. The Qur�an says what means: Exegesis (tafseer) scholars decide as to which meaning of the word �kufr/kafir� is meant in a specific verse based on the context. Therefore, not every use of the root �ka fa ra� means the rejection of faith. For example, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) warned some of his companions from becoming �kuffar� after his death, he did not mean that they would become disbelievers but rather that they would become ungrateful to Allah, for the blessing of unity, when they fight each other after his death. Regarding whether to call non-Muslims �kuffar� or not, the answer is that we should call people the names that the Qur�an gave them. In the Qur�an, you will not find a single �O disbelievers� (�Ya Kuffar�, �Ya ayuhalathina kafaru�, or �Ya ayuhal-kafirun�) other than in the following two places: 1. In Hellfire, we seek refuge in Allah from it. The Qur�an says what means: So, it is something that is said to them by Allah Almighty or by the angels, not by us. 2. In Surat Al-Kafirun (109) that you mentioned in your question. It says what means: But this surah is addressing Prophet Muhammad and therefore must be understood in its historical context. Allah is asking Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to address a group of leaders from Makkah who offered him the following deal: That they all �including Muhammad� worship God for one year and then they all worship the idols for the next year, and so on. That is why Allah asked him to address them in this term �rejecters of faith� and to refuse to accept this kind of deal. In the rest of the Qur�an, however, the Qur�anic style followed two principals: 1. To label certain sayings or actions to be sayings or actions of kufr (disbelief or rejection of faith), without labeling any specific group of people with that name and calling them with it. For example, the Qur�an says what means: 2. To distinguish clearly between idol-worshippers, on one hand, and believers in God and a Script that went through a phase of corruption, on the other hand. Allah called the later group only by the name �People of the Book.� For example, the Qur�an says what means:
In today�s world, we should use the same term �People of the Book� with Christians and Jews, or call them Christians and Jews, if they wish to be called so, or simply call them �non-Muslims�. As for dealing with non-Muslims, the general rule is mentioned in the verse that says what means: And notice that the word �birr� (translated as kindness) that Allah used in this context is the same word that is used for the type of kindness that a Muslim should show his/her parents as in birr al-walidain )kindness to parents)!! Finally, it is fair enough before labeling any person as a �rejecter of faith� to make sure that he/she is clearly aware of that faith and what it entails. In my view, most people in today�s world did not reject the message because simply they are not aware of what Islam is. This is largely due to the biased international media and to Muslims themselves falling short to present their religion properly to the world. These uninformed people, again in my view, could only fall under the verse that says what means: And Allah knows best. Taken from reading Islam
The article posted by brother is written by Abdul wahab najdi, founder of wahabi movement and most of the thing mentioned in tht article does not constitute kufr. pls refer, Tawassul: Supplicating Allah through an Intermediary Edited by Honzo - 31 January 2009 at 9:20pm |
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Hunter
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Assalamu Alaikum First, I have to agree with the consensus and state that I've already seen far too much intolerance, hatred, labeling and name calling in here. I've been posting less and less lately as it seems there are fewer constructive and safe threads to participate in. I can't help but wonder how someone either new-to or curious about Islam might percieve this. I'm a new Muslim myself, and in fact the only exposure to other Muslims has been here at IC. I've felt saddened to see so little evidence of the beautiful, tolerant and just values I expected to find after reading the Quran. I almost certainly would have quit the forum, and may even have abandoned my persuit of Islam itself were it not for a small handfull of people I encountered here who showed me through their paitience, kind words and thoughtful advice that my efforts to learn Islam weren't in vane. Akhe is one of those people. Hayfa said: Our goal should be to demonstrate the true qualities of what a Muslim should be...Imagine if YOUR good deeds influence a nonMuslim to look at Islam. I'm happy to report that Akhe's good deeds have influenced me to continue to persue Islam. He's answered endless questions, encouraged me when I've felt frustrated, and yes, reminded me to treat others who don't believe as I do with paitience and kindness. Seekshidayath is another such person who's also invested much time, thought and paitience. You wouldn't have seen either of these two correct me publicly-- they wouldn't embarrass me like that, they do it privately. I guess the point I'm taking a long time to make here is that while Akhe may be a little rough around the edges, and by his own admission, less than perfect, he's an example of everything a good Muslim should be, and if there is indeed a reward for guiding a person into Islam, he'll be enjoying that. Respectfully-- Hunter
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Akhe Abdullah
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Edited by Akhe Abdullah - 01 February 2009 at 3:00am |
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