Couple of questions

1> Well... you mean if we're given such a choice that is? Ummm why not. .
If you mean as in we see it as a necessity, then no. Maybe I'm not quite getting your question, lol.

2> All Islamic laws that I know off are, glory be to Almighty, beneficial to everyone invovled in any way, be it ourselves, our society, our environment, etc. I also don't see how a person can't follow both the Islamic laws and the laws set by the government?



Edited by xx__Ace__xx - 08 June 2010 at 9:10am

elijah-boy wrote: 2. Let me ask you a direct question, since I don� think I received an appropriate answer. If your religious believes would come in conflict with the laws of the country you live in � what would be your choice � will you follow Islam or will you abide by civil laws? P.S. The only reason I number my messages � is to keep it structural and not to loose the conversation thread. Thank you. Elijah.

Edited by semar - 08 June 2010 at 10:39pm

I'll answer your questions once I get back from school. I need to research a bit and get to know better about these laws you're talking about (I know what the Sharia law is, but when it comes to implementation, you claim its pretty rude, I'll have to first check out if that's true, which I don't really think is)

Until then hopefully someone with better knowledge of the laws and regulations will answer you.

Elijah

Shariah law is one type of law system. Of course Muslims would choose this over others.  You have to really understand Shariah - which only a learned (hence Judge can say) A few points:

Thieving: Yes you can loose your hand. Guess what, they have a lot less theft where this law is enforced. We in the Us have tons of "leniency" and we have tons of people on prison and we have tons of repeat offenders.  "Leniency" is not decided by the state ( as is here) it is decided by the aggrieved party. Someone must decide. Here it is the state (made of people with their own agendas), in Shariah, it is those who were stolen from. It has to be someone.

Women's Testimonial: I teach self-defense and deal with the matter ALL t he time. There are many women who will not go to the police regarding a rape due to the fact there is no proof. You cannot convict a person without proof. This is true is Shariah or in the west. This is to avoid false testimony. (Something you cannot completely eliminate) but a false conviction should be avoided. Rape cases are VERY hard to prove.. "he said - she said" is often the case.


One of the reasonsyou have fewer rape cases in certain parts of the world is that in men and women do not mix, date, socialize etc. Rape is intention + opportunity.

You maybe getting rape mixed up with the accusation of zina.. unlawful relations. To PROVE zina you need 4 male witnesses. This actually protects the woman as its hard to have 4 witnesses.  And just like here,  to prove anything, to have true justice is VERY hard in this world. Many people have been falsely imprisoned and executed. People, will lie and abuse ANY system. That is why ultimately God is our judge.