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rami
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Posted: 18 October 2005 at 7:49am |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Assalaamu alaikum, Jazak Allah! Masha'allah! Thank you for posting a most interesting speech, Brother Rami. Would that all the Muslimeen here read it, insha'allah. Peace, ummziba. |
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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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�No time will come upon you but will be followed by a worse� Howabout the words of Allah,"verily the earth is inherrited by the "fit" righteous slaves of Allah, this is an announcement"
Is not all falsehood ending and what remains is The Truth and thus eventually only His Face? Do you not see in history that time after time the unjust came to an end, Pharao, The Babylonians, The pagans of Mekka, Hitler etc. Who remained where the righteous slaves of Allah, do you not see the beauty of the truth? |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Up untill the time of the mahdi and Isa (hs) times will become moraly worse not better. when Isa (hs) his word of truth as allah calls him in the Quran comes what you quote will be a reality but not beffore. After Isa's time thing will degenerate again to such an extent that people will copulate on the streets like animals and the best people at that time will be those who tell them not to do it in public ie morality will disapear all together until no one on the face of the earth says Allah, Allah. The Prophet upon him peace - said as narrated from Anas: "The Hour will not rise until ALLAH, ALLAH is no longer said on the earth." Through another chain from Anas, Allah be well-pleased with him: "The Hour will not rise on anyone saying: ALLAH, ALLAH." Muslim narrated both in his "Sahih," Book of Iman (belief), chapter 66 titled (by al-Nawawi): "The Disappearance of Belief at the End of Times." The remembrance of Allah is what prevents the hour from coming. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Look at the middle ages in Europe, was it better then now? Whoever has faith in Allah, and does a mending work(knows that Allah is The Truth and tries to leave the world in a better shape then when he came into it, because the deeds in this world are what one is rewarded for in the hereafter) No fear is upon them nor do they grief. [Holy Quran] To Allah belongs all glory and power, and the messenger and the faithful. (then and now and in the future) [Holy Quran]
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
What does the middle ages have to do with the muslims ummah. The muslims Ummah is the best of all nations in terms of morality and the best of the Muslims was in the time of our Prophet. We are talking in terms of morality so even if your comparison was the context of the hadith no since western scosiety is anti religion ie secular. Your using a verse in the Quran to contradict a hadith this can not stand as a correct argument or understanding. Allah did not contradict his prophet, The prophet said a sign of the hour is that every year will be worse than the previous one. he said that despite the fact of the mahdi and Isa who will be comming to earth and spreading islam throughout the earth, so then what did he mean both hadith are reliable. You are not comming up with something new which countless scholars have missed Sh. Lings is giving you a traditional understanding of how these ahadiths are understood in light of all the evidence. The prophets words are clear we dont disprove a hadith which is authenticated becouse we think we see a better meaning simply based on our own interpretation. |
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"Your using a verse in the Quran to contradict a hadith this can not stand as a correct argument or understanding." Your opinion. If the koran contradicts a hadith then the hadith is not true. This has shown itself possible, as in that ahadith are made false and true by the "super scholars" "Sh. Lings is giving you a traditional understanding of how these ahadiths are understood in light of all the evidence." Yeah i am sure, except that the evidence in this case is not the koran but secondairy sources, man made sources and you rather trust on those then trust on the words of Allah, it is all the same to you it seems. What a disrespect.
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Your opinion. If the koran
contradicts a hadith then the hadith is not true. This has shown itself
possible, as in that ahadith are made false and true by the "super
scholars" Hardly
that was your understanding of the Quran, the only interpretation i
applied was that of the literal meaning of the hadith. Unqaulified
opinion should be taken as just that unqualified, you do not say a
hadith is false simply becouse you personaly think it contradicts the
Quran. see my Quote below. What
super scholars are you talking about, do you judge other peoples
morality and capacity based on your own. The word Genious is still
aplicable in todays society despite the delibrate duming down of the
masses.( was thinking of editing this due to posible misunderstanding, i will just say it is not a personel comment). Yeah i am sure, except that the evidence in this case is not the koran but secondairy sources, man made sources and you rather trust on those then trust on the words of Allah, it is all the same to you it seems. What a disrespect. What evidence your own tafsir of a verse, go ask any local shaykh
what this hadith means you will find it is a well known hadith and its
meaning is common knowledge. How often we see new muslims coming to islam and dictating what this
religion means with out a shred of respect for its scholarly traditions.
If you do not agree that is your right just dont say this is what Islam
says unless you are prepared to back it up with something that isnt an
unqualified opinion, in islam this practice of quoting scholars is
called taqlid which means to follow an expert opinion. reffering to your prior point, Sunni Islam, occupying the middle ground between the two extremes of egalitarian Kharijism and hierarchical Shi'ism, had long been preoccupied with disputes over its own concept of authority. For the Sunnis, authority was, by definition, vested in the Quran and Sunnah. But confronted with the enormous body of hadiths, which had been scattered in various forms and narrations throughout the length and breadth of the Islamic world following the migrations of the Companions and Followers, the Sunnah sometimes proved difficult to interpret. Even when the sound hadiths had been sifted out from this great body of material, which totalled several hundred thousand hadith reports, there were some hadiths which appeared to conflict with each other, or even with verses of the Quran. It was obvious that simplistic approaches such as that of the Kharijites, namely, establishing a small corpus of hadiths and deriving doctrines and law from them directly, was not going to work. The internal contradictions were too numerous, and the interpretations placed on them too complex, for the qadis (judges) to be able to dish out judgements simply by opening the Quran and hadith collections to an appropriate page. The reasons underlying cases of apparent conflict between various revealed texts were scrutinised closely by the early ulama, often amid sustained debate between brilliant minds backed up with the most perfect photographic memories. Much of the science of Islamic jurisprudence (usul al-fiqh) was developed in order to provide consistent mechanisms for resolving such conflicts in a way which ensured fidelity to the basic ethos of Islam. The term taarud al-adilla (mutual contradiction of proof-texts) is familiar to all students of Islamic jurisprudence as one of the most sensitive and complex of all Muslim legal concepts.[13] Early scholars such as Ibn Qutayba felt obliged to devote whole books to the subject.[14] The ulama of usul recognised as their starting assumption that conflicts between the revealed texts were no more than conflicts of interpretation, and could not reflect inconsistencies in the Lawgiver's message as conveyed by the Prophet (pbuh). The message of Islam had been perfectly conveyed before his demise; and the function of subsequent scholars was exclusively one of interpretation, not of amendment. Armed with this awareness, the Islamic scholar, when examining problematic texts, begins by attempting a series of preliminary academic tests and methods of resolution. The system developed by the early ulama was that if two Quranic or hadith texts appeared to contradict each other, then the scholar must first analyse the texts linguistically, to see if the contradiction arises from an error in interpreting the Arabic. If the contradiction cannot be resolved by this method, then he must attempt to determine, on the basis of a range of textual, legal and historiographic techniques, whether one of them is subject to takhsis, that is, concerns special circumstances only, and hence forms a specific exception to the more general principle enunciated in the other text.[15] The jurist must also assess the textual status of the reports, recalling the principle that a Quranic verse will overrule a hadith related by only one isnad (the type of hadith known as ahad), as will a hadith supplied by many isnads (mutawatir or mashhur).[16] If, after applying all these mechanisms, the jurist finds that the conflict remains, he must then investigate the possibility that one of the texts was subject to formal abrogation (naskh) by the other. This principle of naskh is an example of how, when dealing with the delicate matter of taarud al-adilla, the Sunni ulama founded their approach on textual policies which had already been recognised many times during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh). The Companions knew by ijma that over the years of the Prophets ministry, as he taught and nurtured them, and brought them from the wildness of paganism to the sober and compassionate path of monotheism, his teaching had been divinely shaped to keep pace with their development. The best-known instance of this was the progressive prohibition of wine, which had been discouraged by an early Quranic verse, then condemned, and finally prohibited.[17] Another example, touching an even more basic principle, was the canonical prayer, which the early ummah had been obliged to say only twice daily, but which, following the Miraj, was increased to five times a day.[18] Mutah (temporary marriage) had been permitted in the early days of Islam, but was subsequently prohibited as social conditions developed, respect for women grew, and morals became firmer.[19] There are several other instances of this, most being datable to the years immediately following the Hijra, when the circumstances of the young ummah changed in radical ways. There are two types of naskh: explicit (sarih) or implicit (dimni).[20] The former is easily identified, for it involves texts which themselves specify that an earlier ruling is being changed. For instance, there is the verse in the Quran (2:142) which commands the Muslims to turn in prayer to the Kaba rather than to Jerusalem.[21] In the hadith literature this is even more frequently encountered; for example, in a hadith narrated by Imam Muslim we read: "I used to forbid you to visit graves; but you should now visit them."[22] Commenting on this, the ulama of hadith explain that in early Islam, when idolatrous practices were still fresh in peoples memories, visiting graves had been forbidden because of the fear that some new Muslims might commit shirk. As the Muslims grew stronger in their monotheism, however, this prohibition was discarded as no longer necessary, so that today it is a recommended practice for Muslims to go out to visit graves in order to pray for the dead and to be reminded of the akhira.[23] The other type of naskh is more subtle, and often taxed the brilliance of the early ulama to the limit. It involves texts which cancel earlier ones, or modify them substantially, but without actually stating that this has taken place. The ulama have given many examples of this, including the two verses in Surat al-Baqarah which give differing instructions as to the period for which widows should be maintained out of an estate (2:240 and 234).[24] And in the hadith literature, there is the example of the incident in which the Prophet (pbuh) once told the Companions that when he prayed sitting because he was burdened by some illness, they should sit behind him. This hadith is given by Imam Muslim. And yet we find another hadith, also narrated by Muslim, which records an incident in which the Companions prayed standing while the Prophet (pbuh) was sitting. The apparent contradiction has been resolved by careful chronological analysis, which shows that the latter incident took place after the former, and therefore takes precedence over it.[25] This has duly been recorded in the fiqh of the great scholars. The techniques of naskh identification have enabled the ulama to resolve most of the recognised cases of taarud al-adilla. They demand a rigorous and detailed knowledge not just of the hadith disciplines, but of history, sirah, and of the views held by the Companions and other scholars on the circumstances surrounding the genesis and exegesis of the hadith in question. In some cases, hadith scholars would travel throughout the Islamic world to locate the required information pertinent to a single hadith.[26] In cases where in spite of all efforts, abrogation cannot be proven, then the ulama of the salaf recognised the need to apply further tests. Important among these is the analysis of the matn (the transmitted text rather than the isnad of the hadith).[27] Clear (sarih) statements are deemed to take precedence over allusive ones (kinayah), and definite (muhkam) words take precedence over words falling into more ambiguous categories, such as the interpreted (mufassar), the obscure (khafi) and the problematic (mushkil).[28] It may also be necessary to look at the position of the narrators of the conflicting hadiths, giving precedence to the report issuing from the individual who was more directly involved. A famous example of this is the hadith narrated by Maymunah which states that the Prophet (pbuh) married her when not in a state of consecration (ihram) for the pilgrimage. Because her report was that of an eyewitness, her hadith is given precedence over the conflicting report from Ibn Abbas, related by a similarly sound isnad, which states that the Prophet was in fact in a state of ihram at the time.[29] There are many other rules, such as that which states that �prohibition takes precedence over permissibility.�[30] Similarly, conflicting hadiths may be resolved by utilising the fatwa of a Companion, after taking care that all the relevant fatwa are compared and assessed.[31] Finally, recourse may be had to qiyas (analogy).[32] An example of this is the various reports about the solar eclipse prayer (salat al-kusuf), which specify different numbers of bowings and prostrations. The ulama, having investigated the reports meticulously, and having been unable to resolve the contradiction by any of the mechanisms outlined above, have applied analogical reasoning by concluding that since the prayer in question is still called salaat, then the usual form of salaat should be followed, namely, one bowing and two prostrations. The other hadiths are to be abandoned.[33] This careful articulation of the methods of resolving conflicting source-texts, so vital to the accurate derivation of the Shariah from the revealed sources, was primarily the work of Imam al-Shafi'i. Confronted by the confusion and disagreement among the jurists of his day, and determined to lay down a consistent methodology which would enable a fiqh to be established in which the possibility of error was excluded as far as was humanly possible, Shafi'i wrote his brilliant Risala (Treatise on Islamic jurisprudence). His ideas were soon taken up, in varying ways, by jurists of the other major traditions of law; and today they are fundamental to the formal application of the Shariah.[34] Shafi'i's system of minimising mistakes in the derivation of Islamic rulings from the mass of evidence came to be known as usul al-fiqh (the roots of fiqh). Like most of the other formal academic disciplines of Islam, this was not an innovation in the negative sense, but a working-out of principles already discernible in the time of the earliest Muslims. In time, each of the great interpretative traditions of Sunni Islam codified its own variation on these roots, thereby yielding in some cases divergent branches (i.e. specific rulings on practice). Although the debates generated by these divergences could sometimes be energetic, nonetheless, they were insignificant when compared to the great sectarian and legal disagreements which had arisen during the first two centuries of Islam before the science of usul al-fiqh had put a stop to such chaotic discord. Edited by rami |
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