Do shia believe in present Quran |
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Fatah-Momin
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Topic: Do shia believe in present Quran Posted: 04 November 2005 at 3:21pm |
This is a major issue that I have come across too, When ever I discussed it with shia they claim to believe in the Qur'an on further probe they start pointing at abbrogation as alteration in Qur'an. Further enquiry with the same shia resulted in to a revelation, that Quran is not the last testement of Allah. Another book was revealed by Allah, which further elaborated on what was revealed in Quran.
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Deus
Senior Member Joined: 13 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 134 |
Posted: 04 November 2005 at 4:09pm |
There are many sects within Shi'ism itself, but the mainstream Shii belief is they use the same Quran as Sunnis, though they interpret many verses differently (political differences on the most part). [For the sake of citing a reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiism] Edited by Deus |
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Fatah-Momin
Senior Member Joined: 11 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 156 |
Posted: 04 November 2005 at 11:19pm |
Deus
Political differences were not brought up by shia during the whole conversation, they insist that Qur'an was altered [naouzobillah] which necessiated burnning of the manuscripts by Hz. Uthman[ra], from the time of Nabi Allah[saw] |
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Deus
Senior Member Joined: 13 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 134 |
Posted: 05 November 2005 at 12:14am |
It is true that there were some variations in the Qurans present at the time of Uthman, but no sources mention anything about Shii ideas being burnt. Shiism didn't even exist back then. Am I right? |
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Fatah-Momin
Senior Member Joined: 11 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 156 |
Posted: 05 November 2005 at 1:35am |
Yes you are rite that shi did not exist at that time but what shia further claim that after departure of Nabi Allah[saw] almost all the companions[ra] other than 5 or 6 turned apostate[naouzobillah]. They altered the quran to deprive Hz. Ali [ra] his rights of successorship to Nabi Allah[saw]. Further there was no variation in Quran, there were some foot notes that were added to different manuscript by the companions to better understand the context of Aya and suras, which were removed. As the bounderies of muslim dominance exceeded Arabic speaking areas, the pronounciation of the words of Quran varied from area to area, which would have caused altering of the meaning of the words in future. Hz. Uthman [ra] standardized the the Quran in Quraish dialect, the arabic dialect of the Nabi Allah[saw] and burned all the manuscript with variation of different dialects. This does not mean that Quran was altered at all. it means that it was standardized in the dialect it was revealed in to start with. |
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Ayubi1187
Groupie Joined: 06 December 2001 Location: Somalia Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 07 November 2005 at 6:05am |
Even if todays shia dont believe any more that the quran was altered they still have not rejected the people who held this believe. Not only that they follow this heretics and some of there writings is encouraged to learn in shiism. Its double standard by shia to say we dont believe the quran was altered and in the same time follow,love and praise them.
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Fatah-Momin
Senior Member Joined: 11 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 156 |
Posted: 07 November 2005 at 8:30pm |
Very true I have come across many claims by shia scholars who say that this book is a altered book and much of the material was taken out as it praised and raised the status of Hz. Ali[ra].
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Fatah-Momin
Senior Member Joined: 11 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 156 |
Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:21pm |
Beliefs of Shia about the present Qur'an 1 Mi ibne lbrahim~-Qiimmi relates from Ab a Zar'e Ghaffari that the Holy Prophet, in conunenting on the verse "Yauma Tabyazzat wojoohohum", said: On the Resurrection Day my people will come to me under five different standards and I will ask the group under each standard about what they have done with the Two Precious Legacies which I left among you, ie. The Thaqalain? The people under the first standard will reply, "Of the two precious things which you left behind, the greater one we have distorted and thrown behind our backs and ignored, and the lesser one we opposed or hated" The group under the second standard will reply, "Of the Two Pre~ious Ones, the greater (the Qur'an) we distorted and tore to pieces and went against it, and the lesser one we opposed and waged war against it" Edited by Fatah-Momin |
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