IslamiCity.org Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > General > Comments & Complaints
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - to the Moderator’s  What is Islam What is Islam  Donate Donate
  FAQ FAQ  Quran Search Quran Search  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

to the Moderator’s

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
Message
responsibility View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Avatar
Joined: 05 March 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 13
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote responsibility Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: to the Moderator’s
    Posted: 24 March 2006 at 12:48pm

 

I�d just like to say goodbye, and to offer you all my best wishes for the future.

 

 

Although I plead with you to be far more sensitive with people when abrogating your religion, for not only have I found myself ostracised from all my friends, but my family has now ejected me, and on the streets I am about to descend.

 

So please think carefully about what you hope to achieve, and remember that you have family helping, where I only have grief.

 

Hence I ask, is it fair that reverts have to take the brunt, while getting nothing back from those whom are more than willing to reap the benefit? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back to Top
Khadija1021 View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
Joined: 30 June 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 530
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Khadija1021 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2006 at 2:10pm

Assalamu Alaikum

 

Br/Sis Responsibility, you are not the only person who is alone and/or ostracized because of having reverted to Islam.  There are many like you, including myself, who have come here to seek help and fellowship with other Muslims.  I know that there have been some things said on the forum that have been said without good adab (Muslim manners); however, I beg of you not to leave.  Inshallah it will get better here and everyone will begin to put adab at the forefront of their thoughts when making posts.  I agree with you that the level of sensitive to others here has been low but I continue pray to Allah that it gets better so that those like yourself and others who have no support will have a place to turn to for Islamic fellowship. 

 

For Allah�s sake, I love you dearly and pray for your well being.  Inshallah, I will keep you in my prayers and pray that you continue to grow in your deen no matter how tough your path may become.  Ameen!  When I feel life it tough and I�m struggling, I read 2.177, Inshallah reading it will help you too.  Don�t forget to make dhikr and du�a to help keep you strong. 

 

Allah Hafiz

Sister Khadija

Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162)
Back to Top
responsibility View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Avatar
Joined: 05 March 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 13
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote responsibility Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 6:44am

 

I would just like to warn every revert to Islam about these people.

 

 

As I have briefly tried to explain above, I have been (up to now) living with my family whom through no fault of my own - despise everything about Islam.

 

 

For a start they despise my cleanliness, every time they sought to use the bathroom facilities within their house, and couldn�t (at the exact moment they wanted) because I was performing wudu, they would increase a little bit more in their annoyance, not toward Islam, but toward me, for denying them what they wanted, when they wanted it.

 

For them Islam is nought but a fallacy, hence my performing wudu is nought but an irritating hassle preventing them from getting on with their lives. I had already been in the position of having to abandon my Fajr Salah very early on within my Islamic practice, due to my parents been irritated by my waking them at �un-godly hours!�

 

 

The fact that I ceased to eat haram food, and stopped celebrating false rituals like christmas and easter, only increased the division between me and the rest of my family, and increased tensions within an already enclosed space - an hundred fold.

 

Now the stage has been reached where I am been thrown out, as toward the end of my stay there was not a single act I could do, that would not cause them to fester in their hatred for me. And what advice was constantly been drilled into me (by the Imam�s and alike)? Allah will not help you if you do not perform the statutes!

 

 

I regret having to raise this issue yet again, but I approached you (Muslim�s) professing to have knowledge that the energy forces and gravity were indeed One Force, Lord of the Alamin, hence I was able to correct the false ideology that there were many gods, as with those whom disbelieve (and hence help you propagate the religion).

 

Two and a third years later I still wait for the one simple request I made (for help) to be met, namely to speak with someone whom would be able to advise me on how to proceed, for everyone but Muslim�s disbelieved, and certainly the scientific community with their �evolutionary chance� long ago washed their hands of me.

 

 

So now in hindsight I look back and see what a fool I have let you make of me! 

 

For not only am I unemployed with no hope of a career, but now I am going to be homeless, and through the isolation the religion (you have preached) has forced me into, there is no one at all that I can fall back on.

 

The very fact that I am going to have to beg of a Christian charity for hostel accommodation  (until whatever will be - will be), just exposes the complete farce that is - the absence of any understanding on the part of �lifelong Muslim�s� for what reverts are going through, and hence any kind of meaningful assistance whatsoever.

 

 

I just don�t know why I ever bothered, you didn�t want to help, when I wanted to help you, so I certainly don�t expect anything of you, now I am left with nothing.

 

 

So this is a warning to all reverts � in this world these people do not really wish to help you; rather they will happily string you along while you continue to advance their own worldly goals, for as long as you accept their treatment, you will merely be justification for them not to change and just continue!!!!!!!    

 

    

 

 

Sent to, Saudi, UAE, Jordanian, Egyptian, Iranian, Malaysian, Libyan, & Syrian embassies here in the UK (and why not? you have left me with nothing at all to loose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

 

 

Back to Top
pauline35 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 15 November 2005
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Points: 459
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pauline35 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 7:09am
Dear Responsibility,

The world is full of the UPs and the DOWNs. Not everyday is UP and not everyday is DOWN. If you think you need help, do specify what kind of help.

There are people who lived harmoniously with different kinds of races and religions. One day, I called my colleague for some advices on the company's matters. What I was amazed was that he told me he's sending his friend to Catholic Church and will only be replying me after lunch as he has to fetch his friend from the Church after 12noon. It was a Sunday.

What amazes me is that my colleague is a Muslim. I am glad to hear that but to some people who has no-faith in Islam does not like it that way. Anyway, we can't please everyone in this world.

On other Friday, my colleague says his friend will send him to Mosque to perform his Friday prayer, vice versa. It is a matter of GIVE AND TAKE.

The world is not ending even though your parents do not like you to perform your prayer. The world can not help you if you do not help yourself. Take heed.


Edited by pauline35
Back to Top
peacemaker View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
Male
Joined: 29 December 2005
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3057
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peacemaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 March 2006 at 10:27am

Assalamu Alaikum!

responsibility,

Welcome to your new found faith Islam!

May Allah shower His blessings on you as He is the Creator and Sustainer of entire mankind.

I feel sorry for your troubled situation and pray to Allah that you face it with courage. I really feel the pain that many reverts to Islam go through. And may Allah make their life easy by His grace. But, with each such trial, they are also blessed by Allah's grace much more than those who have been Muslims all the life.

We can also see that Muslims, as a whole, are going through persecution and slaughter around the world. Look at Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya to name a few. I think, therefore, it would be unwise to compare as to who got more bruises.

The solution does not lie in dividing Muslims along the lines of "born" and "revert", it lies, rather, in taking entire ummah as a whole. As it appears to me, Muslim world is going through major transformations. Insha Allah it would get better in the future. Such transformations take time.

I beg forgiveness from you for any word or insensitive expression at this forum that might have hurt you in anyway. And wish that you continue to contribute your beautiful writings to this board by the grace of Allah.

May Allah bless us all with the wisdom of Islam.

Peace

 



Edited by peacemaker
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13
Back to Top
salman View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group

Joined: 17 March 2006
Location: India
Status: Offline
Points: 569
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote salman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 3:41am

assalamualaikum

Have patience. Allah has mentioned in the Quran that Allah is with the patient.

Allah knows best

Back to Top
herjihad View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar
Joined: 26 January 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2473
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote herjihad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 9:36am

Bismillah,

Responsibility, did you write this to the embassies, or are you quoting it because you feel similar to the author?

Let your faith in God, Allah, Our Protector keep you safe from all that may harm you. 

If you were given advice but no physical help, then you had bad advisers.  I have seen many sheikhs advise new reverts to Islam to take things easy on themselves and those around them.

Some people want to be complete esoterics and don't mind losing everything they have in this life, and are really happy because they know that they will be rewarded in heaven.  But if you are like most of us, you find it too difficult to change everything all at once and you needed help in knowing and following your new found faith and also how to not annoy your own family and possibly guide them.

For example, Your morning woodoo for fajr you could have taken a bowl of water to your room without anyone noticing because you would be very neat, and pray quietly so that they didn't hear you -- if they complained about the noise.  And you could have done the same during the busy parts of the day when they might need the bathroom.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
Back to Top
aekij View Drop Down
Starter
Starter

Joined: 26 March 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 6
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aekij Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2006 at 3:43pm

 

Firstly please forgive the fact I have changed my name, for it is better than the alternative, which would be me (out of frustration) deleting all my posts. I am now unable to do so as I have provided a false email for the account and hence am unable to reactivate it.

 

 

To answer your post pauline35�..

 

You wish to remain just as you are � a Christian, hence the fact that I have mentioned my family now hates me for been a Muslim, goes against your belief that the two religions can coexist without any problems. Hence why you have tried your hardest to appease me.

 

So your post is nought but you looking after your own view!

 

 

 

To answer your post peacemaker�..

 

You wish to remain just as you are � one of the Muslim�s whom does not have to help others because surely Allah {SWT} will. And the fact that I have mentioned I am been thrown out on the street, and will have to beg of Christian�s for help (because no Muslim�s wish to help), goes against your belief that you are doing all you can/should be - as a Muslim. Hence you have tried your hardest to appease me.

 

So your post is nought but you looking after your own view!

 

 

Surah 36, Yaasin

Verse 46:
And never came an Ayah from among the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord to them, but they did turn away from it.

Verse 47:
And when it is said to them: "Spend of that with which Allah has provided you," Those who disbelieve say to those who believe: "Shall we feed those whom, if Allah willed, He (Himself) would have fed? You are only in a plain error."

 

Verse 48:
And they say: "When will this promise (i.e. Resurrection) be fulfilled, if you are truthful?"

Verse 49:
They await only but a single Saihah (shout, etc.), which will seize them while they are disputing!

 

 

So you see (or maybe you refuse to do so), I see straight through your tame replies, just as I see straight through your leaders tame excuses, but as non of you are willing to accept - "Whether you hide what is in your breasts or reveal it, All�h (SWT} knows it�� [3:29] - You continue to shrug me off as though I don�t know what I am on about.

 

I guess you are not able to perceive that, you are not helping anyone until you unite as one unmmah (rather confusing people with multiple cries of truth), but apparently uniting is too much hassle for you, as you would all rather continue in your own belief than do so (which translates into each sect been too arrogant to give up anything in order to find unity, while every revert has had to sacrifice much).

 

From an outsiders perspective this merely looks as though you are protecting your own �blood� (as disbelievers in God/Allah have been), and hence what motivation do they have to change? It seems as though because I am not of - any of your blood, I am left out in the cold for that reason..... Please know, I really do not want to believe this, but it is your actions that are forcing me to do so.

 

 

Please, please, please tell me that this is not clear?   

 

And please, please, please tell me that this is not true?    

 

 

 

 

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.