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    Posted: 17 April 2006 at 3:18pm

In the West, Muslims often tell us that Islam teaches that there must be no compulsion in religion - but wasn't this written before Mohammed's conquest of Medina?  I am going to list a number of laws enforced in Islamic countries.  Could you expound just how there is "no compulsion" in religion if the following is true:

1.  In Saudi Arabia conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.  Bibles are illegal and Churches are illegal.

2.  Yemen - This country bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions.  The Government does not allow the building of a new non-Muslim place of worship.

3.  Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups is enforced.  Members of religions not sanctioned in the Quran may not build places of worship.  It also prohibits the organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

4.  Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation.  Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic laws are prohibited.  Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to any other faith.  Also, non-Muslims must obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.  Coptic Christians are regularly persecuted in Egypt.

5.  Algeria - The law prohibits assembly for purposes of practicing any faith other than Islam.  Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

6.   Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

7.  Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.  Black Christians are regularly attacked and murdered by Arabs in the Sudan. Blacks are also enslaved by Muslims in the Sudan - Christian Churches attempt to purchase these black slaves and free them.

8. Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims; Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy.

9. Afghanistan - Death penalty for conversion of Muslim to Christianity.

Can the Muslims in western countries continue to declare that Islam teaches no compulsion in religion in the face of so much evidence to the contrary?

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2006 at 3:35pm

Athanasius, there is no "true" Islamic state existing in the world today.  All of the coutries you have listed are ruled by non-Islamic governments.  if they have such laws implimented in their counties, we cannot say they are "Islamic".  If Allah said in the Holy Qur'an, which He did, that there is no complusion to His religion, then who are we going to believe?  God or non-Islamic governments? 

You are simply trying to start a fight here.  And although you are not covertly proselytizing here, you are doing it overtly.  You are trying to "show" Muslims that their faith is corrupt.  However, what you and others like you do not understand is that most Muslims know the different between God's Word and what men do in this world.

There are plenty of examples of "Christians" who have done really horrible things in this world, should we simply say that they represent Christianity?  I think not.  But I, unlike you, know the difference between a faith and those who claim to follow it. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2006 at 3:45pm

Bismillah,

I agree with Sister Khadija.  It is very sad when people impose their unjust will through violence on others.  Like our American goverment in Iraq and Phalasteen and El Salvador and Columbia and...

The dictators in "Muslim" countries which are supported by the American Government answer to the Bush administration, not to the Muslims anywhere.  Where shall we send our orders that anyone of them will listen to us as opposed to the power they are beholding to -- the US government?

Ok.  I'll try.  Listen.  Musharraf, stop murdering innocent people right now, or else! (God will get you for it!)

And while I'm at it:  Bush, Pull out the troops and send them to college where the belong to learn science and stuff like that!  And then send those same people back to fix what you broke all over the world!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 10:51am

S.K:  Would you care to elaborate on the statement you made regarding horrible things done by Christians.  And, pleaaaaaase, don't bother mentioning the Crusades - that song and dance has been proven bogus by the current Pope, God bless him:

There are plenty of examples of "Christians" who have done really horrible things in this world, should we simply say that they represent Christianity?  I think not.  But I, unlike you, know the difference between a faith and those who claim to follow it.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 11:46am
Originally posted by Torrencedelay Torrencedelay wrote:

S.K:  Would you care to elaborate on the statement you made regarding horrible things done by Christians.  And, pleaaaaaase, don't bother mentioning the Crusades - that song and dance has been proven bogus by the current Pope, God bless him:


There are plenty of examples of "Christians" who have done really horrible things in this world, should we simply say that they represent Christianity?  I think not.  But I, unlike you, know the difference between a faith and those who claim to follow it.


 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:23pm

akmf:  You need to get an education.  Your vocabulary is at about 5th grade level.  And you say you're in Canada?  Typical government school education.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Torrencedelay Torrencedelay wrote:

akmf:  You need to get an education.  Your vocabulary is at about 5th grade level.  And you say you're in Canada?  Typical government school education.



oo sorry, I will submit my essay tomorrow.

whats wrong with gov education? why shuold I pay for the education when I can get it for my tax dollars?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2006 at 1:43pm

Do you even work - you're here all day as far as I can see. Go to the Middle East and see how quickly they educate you.  Maybe you can live in a dirt-floor hut in Arafatland and chant the Koran all day (that's the only education you'd get there.)  Oh yeah, you can learn Middle Eastern geography without any map showing Israel.  What sheer stupidity. 

As far as Canadian Government schools go - seems to me that if they produce such great thinkers as yourself, I'll just have to reconsider my opinion.

 



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