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Blackangel 
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 Topic: Jesus and the crossPosted: 29 January 2022 at 7:22pm |
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Did Jesus die on the cross for are sins?
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JOB the OLD
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Posted: 17 February 2022 at 6:21am |
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Yes, for everyones' sin.
this includes inherreted sin, natural sin, and the sins committed in consciense state of mind. The reason why Jesus died, was to remove death as Satan infected the creation of God when he, Satan, deceived Adam and Eve and achieved in removing the immortality Adam and Eve were created with. Once Satan made Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad, they were disobedient to God's instruction. Now, no sinner and sin can be in the presence of God. Thats why God stopped even Moses to look at the full Glory of God on mount Horeb. A human body that can die, is a sinfull body, and will simply burn up in God's presence. We are mortals, and we are slowly dying every day as we age from birth to old age. This was why Jesus came in the form of a man, to be born as a baby, to grow up as a boy, to die like a human man. He then visited the domain of death, where he preached the Gospel (good News) that He will ressurect Himself to a body that will again be immortal, such as Adam had before he lost his mortality. And He did rise from the dead, and he did get immortal glory (a new body that does not age) and He therefore DESTROYED DEATH! I am not scared of death anymore, because Jesus showed that death is only a change of destiny! Before Jesus died and rose, Death was the destructive tool Satan had over God because, this was his way to remove Man from God's face! You see, God did not make man to be his slaves, but His FRIEND!
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asep garutea
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Posted: 06 May 2022 at 12:25am |
Hi..Job the Old, You said; "Now, no sinner and sin can be in the presence of God." May I know who say that? God or Jesus? If all human sins will be paid for by Jesus, why don't all humans do evil? Then who was the first person to come up with the doctrine of atonement? Thank you. |
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JOB the OLD
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Posted: 07 September 2022 at 4:08am |
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Hi Asep Garutea,
I apologize for my absence since May 2022. I was away for unforeseen circumstances. I would like to answer you on your question, but I dont know if you are still here.
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JOB the OLD
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Posted: 07 September 2022 at 6:12am |
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If we want to find the description that humans can not be in
the presence of God, due to our sinful nature, we will have to read the whole
Bible. Every book says that God in His full glory can not be in the
presence of the sinful nature of our decaying bodies. Even when Moses was in
the presence of God’s full glory, he was not allowed to look at God’s front, or
he would have been burned and destroyed by Gods presence. Something that did
not happen with Adam when he still had his sinless body. Here are the examples: The father (YHWH) or God’s glory said to Moses: Exodus 33:20 But He said, “You cannot see My face, for no
man can see Me and live!” When God was amongst Israel and spoke to Israel in
person, they were terrified of God’s power. They knew His Glory was devastating
to their presence. They also knew that the Glory of God who entered the
Tabernacle was a terrible danger, and only the cleansed priests of the tribe of
Levi, covered with sacrificial blood, was allowed to serve around His presence.
Anyone not cleansed and having sacrificial blood on their forehead, will die! Deuteronomy 5:25, Deuteronomy 18:16, Numbers 17:12-13, Numbers
18:22, Numbers 1:51, Numbers 3:10 The instructions are very clear on this, the Levite
priests will perform the rituals, to atone for Israel’s sinful nature, whilst
God is amongst them: Numbers 3:38 Now those who were to camp before the
tabernacle eastward, before the tent of meeting toward the sunrise, are Moses
and Aaron and his sons, performing the duties of the sanctuary for the
obligation of the sons of Israel; but the layman coming near was to be put
to death. Numbers 18:7, Numbers 8:19 I have given the Levites as a
gift to Aaron and to his sons from among the sons of Israel, to perform the
service of the sons of Israel at the tent of meeting and to make atonement
on behalf of the sons of Israel, so that there will be no plague among the
sons of Israel by their coming near to the sanctuary.” Even the non-Israelites (Elkronites) knew the devastating
nature of God in the presence of sinful human bodies. 1 Samuel 5:10 So they sent the ark of God to Ekron. And as
the ark of God came to Ekron the Ekronites cried out, saying, “They have
brought the ark of the God of Israel around to us, to kill us Exodus 19:21, Exodus 20:19, Exodus 28:35, Exodus 28:43, Exodus
30:20 Exodus 30:21, Leviticus 10:6. Leviticus 10:7 You shall not even go out from the doorway of
the tent of meeting, or you will die; for the Lord’s anointing oil is upon
you.” So they did according to the word of Moses. Leviticus 15:31 Leviticus 22:9 They shall therefore keep My charge, so that
they will not bear sin because of it and die thereby because they profane it; I
am the Lord who sanctifies them. Leviticus 16:2 The Lord said to Moses:“Tell your brother
Aaron that he shall not enter at any time into the holy place inside the veil,
before the mercy seat which is on the ark, or he will die; for I will appear in
the cloud over the mercy seat. Leviticus 16:13 He shall put the incense on the fire before
the Lord, that the cloud of incense may cover the mercy seat that is on the ark
of the testimony, otherwise he will die. Numbers 4:15 When Aaron and his sons have finished covering
the holy objects and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is to
set out, after that the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them, so that they
will not touch the holy objects and die. These are the things in the tent of
meeting which the sons of Kohath are to carry. Numbers 4:18-20 “Do not let the tribe of the families of the
Kohathites be cut off from among the Levites. But do this to them that they may
live and not die when they approach the most holy objects: Aaron and his sons
shall go in and assign each of them to his work and to his load; but they shall
not go in to see the holy objects even for a moment, or they will die.” Numbers 18:3 And they shall thus attend to your obligation
and the obligation of all the tent, but they shall not come near to the
furnishings of the sanctuary and the altar, or both they and you will die. Numbers 18:32 You will bear no sin by reason of it when you
have offered the best of it. But you shall not profane the sacred gifts of the
sons of Israel, or you will die.’” Well, some people thought it wise to look into the ark
when 70 men decided to open it to reveal the Glory of God (YHWH) to 50 000
people. 1 Sam 6:19Then He struck the men of Beth Shemesh, because
they had looked into the ark of the LORD. He struck fifty thousand and seventy
men of the people, and the people lamented because the LORD had struck the
people with a great slaughter. Even Uzzah, who knew the laws on how the ark should be treated,
because the ark was kept by his family, thought he was worthy to touch it not
being a Levite priest, and was not cleansed and covered with ritual sacrificial
blood. 2 Sam 1: 6-7, and 1 Chronicles 13: 1-12 If you say you are not a sinner, you make Jesus a liar,
for His death was the sacrificial blood to cover our sinful nature. 1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him
and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we
say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not
practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we
have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son
cleanses us from all sin.8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just
to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say
that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. |
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