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    Posted: 17 May 2006 at 11:26am

 Please comment on Christoph Luxenberg's theory that ...

"the original language of the Qur�an was not was not Arabic but something closer to Aramaic. He says the copy of the Qur�an used today is a mistranscription of the original text from Muhammad�s time, which according to Islamic tradition was destroyed by the third caliph, Osman, in the seventh century. But Arabic did not turn up as a written language until 150 years after Muhammad�s death, and most learned Arabs at that time spoke a version of Aramaic."

Can you prove otherwise?  Didn't Osman destroy all the manuscripts?  How can you prove it was written in Arabic? 

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AliBaba, you are REALLY reaching here. If your sole intent is to try to discredit Islam and drag it through the mud, then I suggest you move on to another site.

Anyone can come up with crazy theories. Can you discredit the Da Vinci Code? Can you discredit the theory that Jesus is buried in a sepulcher in Kashmir? Can you discredit the recently discovered Gospel of Judas? At least this ancient parchment exists. Prove it's a lie, if you can...

 



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As was done for the Bible, academic research is now scrutinizing the Quran. Luxenberg's theory is interesting but it has not found acceptance with scholars.
I read in a German magazine an interview with him where he said he is going to publish a new book about the origins of the Quran. So until that book is published, if it ever is, it is wiser to leave Luxenberg aside. Besides we do not know his real identity.
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Please comment on Christoph Luxenberg's theory that ...

"the original language of the Qur�an was not was not Arabic but something closer to Aramaic. He says the copy of the Qur�an used today is a mistranscription of the original text from Muhammad�s time, which according to Islamic tradition was destroyed by the third caliph, Osman, in the seventh century. But Arabic did not turn up as a written language until 150 years after Muhammad�s death, and most learned Arabs at that time spoke a version of Aramaic."

The answer can be seen from Hanslow M. Broadvision's statement in which he says,"The original language of Qur'aan was in the Arabic spoken by the Meccan tribe of Quraish and Muhammad belonged to this tribe. The Hebrew language gave rise to two langauges almost simultaneously; one was Aramaic and the other was Arabic. Arabic and Aramaic writings were found ona tablet discovered by French archaeologists in Syria and they have been dated at 500-600 years before the birth of Jesus. It thus shows that the langauge was there far before that date.

From you, Ali Baba: "Can you prove otherwise?  Didn't Osman destroy all the manuscripts?  How can you prove it was written in Arabic?"

He still had some papyrus left up his sleeve. It was written in Koine Greek then translated back into Arabic.      and Dantes said the best,"Human insanity knows no bounds."  

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In April 1901, two French archeologists, R. Dussaud and F. Macler, discovered the tomb of Imru al-Qays. The date of death was 328 CE. The inscription on the tomb was written in Mudari Arabic. What was most striking about this discovery was that it not only pushed back the history of Mudari Arabic 200 years, the previous oldest inscription was in 519 CE, but that the language on the tomb was so close to the Arabic of the Quran.

This is a full 200 years before the birth of the Prophet Mohammed. Most academics agree that by the time of the Prophet's birth, written and spoken Mudari Arabic flourished. 

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But do you have any substantial proof - such as the earliest manuscript evidence, proving that the Quran was written in Arabic - or could this guy's theory be right?
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Originally posted by Alibaba Alibaba wrote:

But do you have any substantial proof - such as the earliest manuscript evidence, proving that the Quran was written in Arabic - or could this guy's theory be right?


its a theory dosnt has to be true
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ak:  I know it doesn't have to be true.  There is a theory that the New Testament was orginally written in Hebrew - I don't believe it, it's just a theory.  What do you think of this theory regarding the Quran?
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