In defence of the Salafis |
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ZamanH
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Posted: 10 April 2005 at 12:59am |
As Salaam Alaikum, Contrary to popular beliefs, Salafis are not "exclusionists". I have met many Ahle Hadith people who were once Hanafis or belonged to some other sect before they became Ahle Hadith. They are, however, purists. I first met them few years back when I was in college. At that time the concept of tawhid was not clear to me. I followed religion as my parents did. I used to go to mazaars and wear tavizs to keep of the bad luck. It were the Muslims form Ahle Hadith group that pointed to me the fault in my beliefs. At first, I was angered by their thinking but, I gradually became convinced that they are right, after they showed me evidence in Quran and hadith. Needless to say their idealist approach to solve the problems plaguing the Ummah has earned them the wrath of pragmatic Muslims, who are for more utilitarian or materialistic approach. For example, to unite the Muslims, their (Salafi's) approach will be one of eliminating the differences between various sects of Muslims altogether, rather than making Muslims forget their differences (as other Muslims would attempt to do). Though, I don't know about Salafis in detail, they certainly don't believe "Only those names which are respected on the salafi websites are on the right path, rest all have gone astray." Although, Ahle Hadith is a relatively small group, they are certainly gaining many new adherents. I believe it is the fastest growing organisation among the young muslims in India. Though, I am not a Ahle Hadith, myself, (I am ONLY a Muslim) I don't think they deserve to be treated as pariahs (as they are being treated by many Muslims). Zaman |
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ZamanH
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Also, an interesting web-site, regarding the subject:- http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-salafi.ht m |
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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rami
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum The above is only your perspective based on your experiance as you say, others have different experiances with this group good and bad. There writtings speak for them self and a proper research into the matter will show you that there origins were exclusionists although it has been "tonned" down in recent years. >>>their (Salafi's) approach will be one of eliminating the differences between various sects of Muslims altogether<<< What are these different sects? the four madhhabs? becouse it is the madhhabs and traditional islamic sciences that they are attacking nothing else. >>>"Only those names which are respected on the salafi websites are on the right path, rest all have gone astray."<<< My experiance is something other than yours and from what i see it is common. If they have never heard of a scholar even if he is famous they will not even consider your argument, they require daleel for every single little issue to the point of it being rediculous. One br asked me for daleel when i gave him the muslim defanition of a sect. You can not say you dont know much and be asertive in your statments at the same time, you should first learn and then base you opinion on knowledge. Ahle al Hadith is a deceptive term and can only be used by those who are ignorant of the science of law and how to derive rulings in Islam, that alone should tell you the depth of there knowledge or lack of. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Rehmat
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Asslam-o-Aliakum I have no problem with my Salafi or Wahabbi relatives � But I feel this post should be moved to �Interfaith Dialogues�. Having said that � here is the view of a Sufi scholar, which could of some interest to some of you. However, I am out of this �subject�. The word salafi or "early Muslim" in traditional Islamic scholarship means someone who died within the first four hundred years after the prophet Mohammed , including scholars such as Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi'i, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Anyone who died after this is one of the khalaf or "latter-day Muslims". |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum >>>I have no problem with my Salafi or Wahabbi relatives � But I feel this post should be moved to �Interfaith Dialogues�.<<< You mean Intrafaith dialogue, i think you are right i will move it. >>>Having said that � here is the view of a Sufi scholar, which could of some interest to some of you. However, I am out of this �subject�.<<< Yes the scholar is a sufi ie a person who practices tassawuf the science of ihsan, but that has nothing to do with the madhhabs since they deal with a different islamic science altogether ie Fiqh, he is more than qualified in this area also. So i dont see the relavance of pointing out he is a sufi shakh, following a madhhab is agreed upon by concensus in islam among all the great scholars of all time. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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jalillah
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no comment rihgt now....
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May Allah Bless those who seek the truth......Allah Stands Alone in truth..
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Brother123
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I rembersome of my relatives who are sufi asked their sufi scholars what is a shia. The sufi scholar said. If a dog drings from the sea the water of the sea does not become impure. But if a shia drinks water form the sea the whole sea becomes impure. Just hope rehmat you did not drink from the sea. Make the whole water impure for the sufis. Since you like to quote from sufis about sunnis. I thought i would quote some thing form your dear sufis about shias. So all those sufis out better start be more careful what water you drink. I am sunni not sufi i dont have problem with a shia drinking water form the atlantic ocean.
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new_muslimah
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dear brothers and sisters Salamun alaykum.I am a ne-revert to Islam after a long period of soul searching and reading. Islam is the most beautiful message of GOD. After reading in-depth , after what happened after the demise of Holy Prophet (PBUH) , i concluded, that IMAM ALI is the rightly appointed successor to Holy Prophet and the followers of Imam Ali , have thus direct link to Holy Prophet. Look at what Muawiyah did to Imam Ali....hundreds of people killed in Siffeen in the war against the RIGHTLY Appointed successor of Prophet. But I am amazed how my Sunni brothers and sisters just ignore this huge fact and still respect this person (muawiya) Even if you look at the world today, True Islam is being represented by the teachings of Islamic Revolution in iran. We have same book, same Allah, same Kaaba, same Prophet, but unfortunately, i have seen Salafis, curse and swear and label as Kafir 'other muslims". I have not met a single Shia brother or sister who will call others Kafir. All this has led me to study Shia school deeply and I conlcuded that SHIAISM is the mainstream and the direct connection to Holy Prophet. Another mind-boggling fact : SON of Imam Ali, hussain gave up everything in karabala , when he was killed by Yazeed son of Muawiya. But HOW MANY SUNNIS do we know who even respect and consider Imam hussain as a HERO of islam and condemn the killer army of yazid? Despite the difference my shia -contacts urge me to join hands with other muslims based on our common points.
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