Koran...Jesus is the Son...

All,

How is it that Jesus is proclaimed as the Son, in the Muslim book of faith...?

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

4.171 You The Book's family, certainly do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and certainly they say against �allah� except the truth, only the Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, a message; �allah� and his Word cast forth to her Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe on account of �allah�, and his messengers, and certainly they say: "Three." Refrain (it is) agreeable; certainly your only �allah�, one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his child, truly his; what not in the heavens and not in the earth and He sufficed on account of �allah�, a witness.



The Biblical truth is right here in one ayah...

� Father
� Son
� Spirit

Pretty amazing...

Greetings Mishmish,

Don�t forget to mention these renderings�

"Progressive Muslims"

O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and His word which He delivered to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say: "Three." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the earth. God is enough as a caretaker.   (4.171)

"Literal Koran, Mohamed Ahmed"

You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) God except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) God's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit  from Him; so believe with God, and His messengers, and do not say: "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but God (is) one God, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with God (as a) guardian/protector. (4.171)

As you can see for yourself, these two translators were able to accurately understand that 4.171 is proclaiming that Jesus is the Son.

There can be no doubt�

Mishmish wrote: Apple Pie: I cannot express strongly enough that Islam does not teach that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is a beloved Prophet of God, nothing more. I don't know where you are getting these translations, but they are not correct. To Muslims this is blasphemy of the highest order. Only worshipping Jesus as God is worse. Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:116 And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

We are discussing what the Koran states...not what islam states...

Do you follow the Koran...or Islam...?

As you can verify for yourself, the Arabic of 4.171 clearly and irrefutably states that Jesus is the Son.

Apple Pie:

The Arabic in the Quran for this Ayat does not translate to what you have written above.

Arabic is not my first language, so I got my husband, who is an Arab, to read and translate directly from the Quran. I did not tell him why or what I was looking for, just asked for an exact translation. I must state here that my husband has a degree in languages, speaking Arabic, French, and English.

The Quran clearly states, in Arabic that God is One and He has no son.

Once again, I don't know where you are getting this translation from, but it is not correct.