Religion and Judgment

Israfil said: AbRah.....What if an atheist became an athiest after he/she lost someone at 9/11 at the hand of Muslims (or those who considered themselves muslims).

My response: I want you to give me concrete proofs to support your claim that Muslims were involved in the 9-11 and we will see whether you are right.

First off brother the comment was not to discuss 9-11 but merely as a reaction of it. So basically my question was: After 9-11 and knowing that the act was brought about by religious fanaticism and that it was carried out "in the name of God" knowing that, what if the athiest decides to reject God out of anger because of that reason? My main concern here is that we make decisions on emotion. Some are temporal and some are lasting but my comment was to address how we may disbelieve off impulse. Of course the same can be said why we believe off impulse.

Israfil said: I refuse to worship a god who condemns someone just because they had a bad experience and choose not to accept Islam at that time. Again brother there are many variables to why we believe and disbelieve I'm just hoping you can  understand that.

My response: Will Allah accept those variables that deny His existence as the Creator who has created all mankind? Can we dictacte to Allah what we like and what we don't etc? Can a slave or servant dictacte to her or his master? We can't because we are Allah's slaves( servants) but we can pray to Him and there are no intermediary between us and Allah.

First off we come to a contradiction here: A slave is one who is not independent of action and since Islam base its principles off of "freewill" then how can we all, religious or not be slaves? We are slaves to Allah's will by our choosing. Not if you are arguing on the scientific sense then I could agree with you, but judging by the context of your message here I assume you are referring to the religious aspect. Can we dictate what Allah wills? No. Can a slave dictate to his/her master? No. However the context of my comment came from the question of the attribute of Allah being: All-Merciful.

If my Lord is All-Mericful why would he condemn someone to hellfire because they made a decision off of emotion? That was more of a hypothetical question rather, a reference to what God willed or did. I cannot dictate God's actions as I have no knowledge of them however how our religious superiors i.e scholars may dictate Allah's will its apparent that some people get the impression of what and what not Allah wills.

Israfil said: It's easy for us to say "Why can't they believe in God?" but there are so many variables that it would be hard proven to say which and which reason. Therefore we must refrain from judgement.

My response: The followers of the prophet Muhammad were brutally persecuted by the pagans but they never changed their religion. Have you ever thought of the prophets of Allah who were persecuted and some of them were  murdered by the non-believer ? Why didn't the prophets become atheists after what they had gone through? Why did the prophets of Allah follow  the Word of  Allah eventhough they were persecuted or murdered by non-believers?

Brother you're comparing Apples to Oranges here. First off the prophet were guided by Allah. They personally knew of Allah's existence and had the influence of Allah through divine apiritions. What they felt by being in the presence of God is quite different on how the average human on earth feels. Perhaps everyday we are in the presence of God by the experience of what prophet went through and what people go through now are different. Perhaps if God came in my room and told me I were to deliver a great message to my boss and that while trying to deliver a message my co-worker will chastise me I may just do it anyway because of God's influence on me.

Brother whatever lead up to the disbelief of an athiest is unknown to any of us unless it is revealed. Even if an athiest is reveals why they reject the belief in God we still must refrain from judgement. Personally I know athiest who are more courageous than some of the Muslims I know and some vice versa. It is God's will who he chooses to be in his presence.

Allah has sent us His Word that is explained further by the teachings of His  messenger Muhammad. If you violate His laws then you are a transgressor.  I  judge people by their words, behavior, actions etc but my judgement is not complete if I have no witnesses and proofs! I cannot judge his or her heart because it is beyond my ability but Allah knows her or his heart. If they worship an idol, then they are the non-believers. If they say that God is a man then they are the non-believers! How do you judge people whether they are good or bad?  How do the judges in the court judge judge the accusers and the accused?

Dear brother Israfil ..Please forgive me if I have offended you. I am sincere and I wish I can help you. My advice for you: Please go to any Islamic centers to meet any Muslim scholars who will help you to solve your problem. I wish you all the best.

Brother you said that Allah sent his messenger Muhammad and if you violate them you are a transgressor. If a Christian says God is a man then he/she is an unbeliever. Perhaps in accordance to Islam they are however each society and each laws God has sent was in accordance to the people in that time and although we say that the laws as well as the religion has been tainted we cannot deny that there are upright Christians and Jews who do believe in God and who practice right. Regardless what their mainstream faith is, we must judge them as people not their religion. What if you are the transgressor? Also a person of a different faith cannot technically be a transgressor since that person is not of the Muslim faith. That is like saying I'm in violation of a Saudi Arabian law although I live in America.

People of other faiths are not limited to our laws and our religious beliefs so we must remain clear on that. Brother at the end of your comment I appreciate your sincere advice by I do not believe in Sheikhs and Scholars as it has been proven that all Sheikhs are influence by schools of thought. I'm a follower of the philosophies of Averroes so I don't believe in divisions in Islam, hence I do not follow a sect like Sunni or Shia nor do I follow a Fiqh.