Joseph, the Foster Father of Christ |
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Angela
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I have often asked one question and never received a satisfactory answer to this question. Why the absense of Joseph is the Quran? I have noted the absense of many of the Prophets' wives in the Quran, names like Hannah, Elizabeth and Rachael/Leah. The Quran focuses on the actual prophets and less about their families, so I ask, why is there such a push to deny the existence of Joseph, Son of David? The bible gives Jesus a family.....this does not necessarily contradict the account given is Surah Maryam. The Birth of Jesus Christ (Matthew 1:18-25)18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins." 22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]�which means, "God with us." 24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. Mark 6:3-4"Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! 3Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph,[a] Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him. 4Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor." The Birth of Jesus Foretold (Luke 1:26-28)26In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. 28The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." 29Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end." 34"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" 35The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God. 36Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37For nothing is impossible with God." 38"I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her. Luke 2:3-5
3And everyone went to his own town to register. 4So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. Luke 2:15-17 15When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about." 16So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, Jesus Presented in the Temple (Luke 2:21-23)21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived. 22When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord"[a]), I could go on and on, there are several more scriptures indicating that Mary was married to Joseph and that Joseph was Jesus's adoptive father. There are arguements as to whether or not he had further children by Mary after Jesus, if the brothers and sisters spoken of were children of a previous marriage or other adoptive children. Mary too was decended of the House of David. The Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) had several wives and cared for their children. Why causes such a venom in Islam towards Joseph of Nazareth? I have heard the arguements as to there is no evidence of his existence, there is also no evidence of his lack of existence. I would like to ask everyone to remain respectful of everyone elses beliefs. I ask that no one is called a liar, silly or stupid. Its just basic courtesy. Thank you all. Edited by Angela |
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AnnieTwo
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Good question Angela.
What happened to Joseph in the Qur'an? We do know that God provided for Jesus. He made sure that he had a normal childhood with a mother and a father. Why does the Qur'an exclude Joseph? Annie |
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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Israfil
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Salaam Angela there is no evidence in the Qur'an nor in the Hadith references of the mentioning of Joseph the legal guardian of Jesus. Since there are no point of reference most Muslims would only rely on the historical account of the Bible. |
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Angela
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So, then why deny his existence? If there is a record, even if that record has some flaws, why deny his existence? When the gospels were written in the 60-150 years after the death, they would have been closer in time to understand the people involved. The Quran has many "omissions" that were unnecessary to the Message. The names of the wife of Israel (Jacob), Samuel's mother and such had already been recorded. So, why the need to single out Joseph as a fictional character when this is not done in the cases of Hannah or Racheal?
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DavidC
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The Qu'ran is a pretty short book. I never read it as excluding Joseph, just that the story of Joseph wsa not essential to the message.
It's hard to find much relevant about Joseph even in the NT. He confirms Jesus' lineage and is a good role model, but that's about it. |
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Greetings Anniel Silence on a topic does not imply the intentional exclusion. The Quran is not a narrative in the classical sense. It is a dialogue between Gd and man. The topic simply had no need to come up. |
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Andalus
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Greetings Angela. Silence does not imply denial. The topic was unimportant. Keep in mind that the Quran is not a "narrative" that gives a chronological historical account of who had babies with who and what some man may or may not have done unless the event had some wisdom relevant to setting of the revelation. The Quran is a dialogue between Gd and His creation, which is what sets it apart from the bible. Furthermore, the time period which the Quran was revealed is unimportant to any event it speaks of, because we are not talking about a man made historical account, but a revelation from Gd. Not inspired, but a direct dialogue. Peace |
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Greetings David. I think yo ucleared it up better than I ever could. Seems like you are more "logical" than you like to admit. |
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