creation never happened!

Around the sun orbits a giant tea pot, we can't see it, so we can't prove or disprove it exists (R. Dawkins, 2006). The same goes for the idea of god in any faith.

What we can prove is evolution by the fossil record, molecular anthropology, mitochonrial DNA decant, chromosome territory preseraation across primates (we are primates!), etc.

Allah never created earth and homo sapiens, both evolved by national processes. If Muhammed really talked to god, as proof, god would have told him, Energy equals Mass times Energy Squared as evidence. This never happened, Mudammed made it up and islam is like no other created faaith based religion.

Show me in the quran where E=MC2?

F

fogtrik wrote:   Around the sun orbits a giant tea pot, we can't see it, so we can't prove or disprove it exists (R. Dawkins, 2006). The same goes for the idea of god in any faith. What we can prove is evolution by the fossil record, molecular anthropology, mitochonrial DNA decant, chromosome territory preseraation across primates (we are primates!), etc. Allah never created earth and homo sapiens, both evolved by national processes. If Muhammed really talked to god, as proof, god would have told him, Energy equals Mass times Energy Squared as evidence. This never happened, Mudammed made it up and islam is like no other created faaith based religion. Show me in the quran where E=MC2? F

Hi fogtrik,

Below is a good link that explains the position of Qur'an on relativity.

http://www.islamicity.com/Science/QuranAndScience/relativity /GeneratedFiles/index.htm

Verily a Day in the sight of your Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning  --(Surat al-Hajj, 47)

THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE

The origin of the universe is described in the Qur'an in the following verse:

He created the heavens and the earth from nothing. (Surat al-An'am, 101)

This information given in the Qur'an is in full agreement with the findings of contemporary science. The conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred in no time. This event, known as "The Big Bang" proved that the universe was created from nothingness as the result of the explosion of a single point. Modern scientific circles are in agreement that the Big Bang is the only rational and provable explanation of the beginning of the universe and of how the universe came into being.

Before the Big Bang, there was no such thing as matter. From a condition of non-existence in which neither matter, nor energy, nor even time existed, and which can only be described metaphysically, matter, energy, and time were all created. This fact, only recently discovered by modern physics, was announced to us in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.

THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Surat adh-Dhariyat, 47)

The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.

Until the dawn of the twentieth century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands".

At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

This fact was proved also by observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding. This fact was explained in the Qur'an when that was still unknown to anyone. This is because the Qur'an is the word of Allah, the Creator, and the Ruler of the entire universe.

http://www.harunyahya.com/generalknowledge24.php

Finally, you have to also keep in mind that Qur'an is not the book of science, it is book of guidance. With that said, let us keep in mind that it also has desciption  on creation, relativity, embroynic development etc, to name a few, that are also supported by modern science. It was absolutely impossible for a Prophet ( who could not read or write ) 1400 years back to know these advanced concepts that are known to us today with the help of sophisticated astronomical and technological equipments.

Qur'an doesn't depend on science, but an open mind with scientific knowledge may help one understand Qur'an and Islam better, not necessarily though.

Of course, faith comes first. Even in the face of technological backwardness that existed 1400 years back, opposed to our modern times, Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) and his companions  still believed in everything what was there in Qur'an and Islam, and they were the best community ever raised in the history of mankind.

Peace

peacemaker wrote: fogtrik wrote:   Around the sun orbits a giant tea pot, we can't see it, so we can't prove or disprove it exists (R. Dawkins, 2006). The same goes for the idea of god in any faith. What we can prove is evolution by the fossil record, molecular anthropology, mitochonrial DNA decant, chromosome territory preseraation across primates (we are primates!), etc. Allah never created earth and homo sapiens, both evolved by national processes. If Muhammed really talked to god, as proof, god would have told him, Energy equals Mass times Energy Squared as evidence. This never happened, Mudammed made it up and islam is like no other created faaith based religion. Show me in the quran where E=MC2? F Hi fogtrik, Below is a good link that explains the position of Qur'an on relativity. http://www.islamicity.com/Science/QuranAndScience/relativity /GeneratedFiles/index.htm Verily a Day in the sight of your Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning  --(Surat al-Hajj, 47)   THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE The origin of the universe is described in the Qur'an in the following verse: He created the heavens and the earth from nothing. (Surat al-An'am, 101) This information given in the Qur'an is in full agreement with the findings of contemporary science. The conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred in no time. This event, known as "The Big Bang" proved that the universe was created from nothingness as the result of the explosion of a single point. Modern scientific circles are in agreement that the Big Bang is the only rational and provable explanation of the beginning of the universe and of how the universe came into being. Before the Big Bang, there was no such thing as matter. From a condition of non-existence in which neither matter, nor energy, nor even time existed, and which can only be described metaphysically, matter, energy, and time were all created. This fact, only recently discovered by modern physics, was announced to us in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.   THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this: And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Surat adh-Dhariyat, 47) The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today. Until the dawn of the twentieth century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands". At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding. This fact was proved also by observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding. This fact was explained in the Qur'an when that was still unknown to anyone. This is because the Qur'an is the word of Allah, the Creator, and the Ruler of the entire universe. http://www.harunyahya.com/generalknowledge24.php Finally, you have to also keep in mind that Qur'an is not the book of science, it is book of guidance. With that said, let us keep in mind that it also has desciption  on creation, relativity, embroynic development etc, to name a few, that are also supported by modern science. It was absolutely impossible for a Prophet ( who could not read or write ) 1400 years back to know these advanced concepts that are known to us today with the help of sophisticated astronomical and technological equipments. Qur'an doesn't depend on science, but an open mind with scientific knowledge may help one understand Qur'an and Islam better, not necessarily though. Of course, faith comes first. Even in the face of technological backwardness that existed 1400 years back, opposed to our modern times, Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) and his companions  still believed in everything what was there in Qur'an and Islam, and they were the best community ever raised in the history of mankind. Peace

Bismillah,

Brother, in reading your post I see that you think it's worth your time to allow atheists and Islaam bashers to come to this site making anti-Islaamic declarations for the purpose of your providing refutation of their grossly mistaken ideas.

I suggest that you form another posting section specifically for this activity.  Possibly:  Atheists and Anti-Muslims section.

Salaamu Alaykum